Talk:County Kerry

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Is the green part (of the picture) kerry or is the red part kerry?

The lime green part is Kerry; the pink is Northern Ireland, a separate country coloured differently to distinguish it from the Republic of Ireland. Tadhg 11:48, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

origen of Kerry

What is the origen of the word Kerry (or Ciarrai). Does it mean Kingdom as suggested in the article? - Kerry in New Mexico, USA

It's not entirely clear, certainly not enough for inclusion in the article. It was probably either named after Ciar, King of Ulster (Carruidhe or Cair Reeght: "Kingdom of Ciar") or - not so romantic - it's named after the Irish word for "rock" ("ciar" or "cer") and "a district on the water" ("uidhe" or "ui"). See Ancient Clans of County Kerry. --Tadhg 15:18, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Walsh as a Kerry surname??

The Irish for Walsh is Breathnach, which literally means Welsh ( as in the nationality), so I'm assuming it isn't a Kerry surname!! I'm removing it from the list, if I'm wrong please correct me! 195.213.112.110 13:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not historical people?

Why are Wolfe Tone and Roger Casement not listed under "Historical Figures"? Rachel Pearce 10:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV

I am not Irish, nor English. I feel the history section of this article has been composed in a very partisan manner and is anything but neutral. David Lauder 19:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

bias

Unreliable, almost offensive article. What a shame! Heard of revisionism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.255.8.108 (talk) 08:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

failure to sign

Apology for the lack of courtesy- new to this. I made the above comment.Michelle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.255.8.108 (talk) 09:01, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tralee Ship Canal

Should the Tralee Ship Canal no be given a mention in the 'transport' section ?

King dumb (talk) 01:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Motto.

What are the origins of Co. Kerry's Motto? I couldn't find anything after searching...--Somchai Sun (talk) 21:19, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The coat of arms and motto shown on this article are the arms and motto of the Kerry County COUNCIL, not of Co. Kerry itself. Co. Kerry is represented by a heraldic device which is black, with a silver castle and golden harp above it. - Noonan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.38.48 (talk) 06:33, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I removed your edit before I realised you had started a discussion on this. Do you have a reference or source you could quote so that it can be included in the info. --Dmol (talk) 06:44, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kerryman joke tradition

Earlier today I added the below section, but it was reverted by a user. The Kerryman joke is a really interesting nugget of social commentary from 20th Century Ireland, and how Kerry people were perceived. I maintain that it's worthy of inclusion and enriches the County Kerry page but I get the impression some people think I'm making a personal attack on the county. Maybe somebody in the future can find the right angle on how to include it.

The 'Kerryman', a dim-witted and fictitious man from the county, is frequently used as the butt of the joke in a subsection of Irish jokes named 'Kerryman jokes'.^[1] He is used in much the same way as the Irishman is portrayed in the classic 'An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a bar...' joke format, when told by the English or Scottish.^[2] The Kerryman joke emerged in the 1960s and early 1970s amidst rapid modernization in Ireland and the migration of rural people to the cities.^[2] Collections of Kerryman jokes can frequently be found for sale in tourist shops in Ireland compiled in book form.^[2] Ridiculopathy (talk) 20:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC) Ridiculopathy (talk) 20:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noting here that Ridiculopathy and I have had a rather extensive conversation about this on Ceoil's talk page. Ridiculopathy puts forth that this joke format is specific to County Kerry, while I have put forward that (a) it is interchangeable with identical jokes focusing on other geographies/cultures (e.g., Newfie jokes, Alabama jokes) which are intended to degrade people of perceived lower social or educational class; and (b) the jokes are not produced in County Kerry and did not originate there. I have suggested that perhaps this would be appropriate for an article related to jokes (generally) or humour. Risker (talk) 01:19, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can I just clarify that I do not contend that this "joke format (i.e. stupidity jokes) is specific to County Kerry", because as you rightly note: (a) it is interchangeable with identical jokes focusing on other geographies/cultures (e.g., Newfie jokes, Alabama jokes) which are intended to degrade people of perceived lower social or educational class; and (b) the jokes are not produced in County Kerry and did not originate there.

However the joke format necessitates inclusion of a man from County Kerry every time (i.e. the "Kerryman") and for that reason alone I would consider it worthy of inclusion on the County Kerry page. No other county in Ireland has an equivalent place in the Irish joke canon (if you want to call it that). If you airbrush the Kerryman joke out of history you're denying readers the chance of forming a rounder picture of the culture of Kerry, the people of Kerry and how these people were perceived over time - rightly or wrongly. Ridiculopathy (talk) 09:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ridiculopathy, as said on my talk page during the week, I agree with Risker. These "jokes" are are old as stones, about as funny (humour doesn't date) , and used widespread across counties, European regions, American states (for eg), and continents, so not unique to Kerry, and they all follow a grossly outdated, prejudiced pattern. Would you be happy with a similar passage, sourced to a low edition pulp book, appearing on the Republic of Ireland or Wales articles, with the opening with (as you wrote) "The [Irishman or substitute at will], a dim-witted and fictitious....is frequently used as the butt of [] jokes..."

I do see where you are coming from having found a factoid, and there are social and economic reasons (high immigration/low education levels in the 18th and 19th centuries; high enrolment levels in the guards who were placed in Dublin in the 50s & 60s , but the two sources "Laughing Matters: A Serious Look at Humour. London: Longmans" & "The Irish Kerryman Joke: Culchies, Cute Hoors, and the Emergence of a Late Modern Fool Region Joke" aren't enough to go there.

Maybe your better off adding this stuff to some history of racist jokes article or something, which seem to be the in good faith point you are trying to make. Anyways, talk soon no doubt. Ceoil (talk) 01:10, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving for the record amicable resolution with Ridiculopathy here. Ceoil (talk) 02:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Christie Davies "The Irish Joke as a Social Phenomenon". In John Durant and Jonathan Miller. Laughing Matters: A Serious Look at Humour. London: Longmans. ISBN 978-0-470-21185-4
^ ^a ^b ^c Lowthorp, Leah (2014-03-01). "The Irish Kerryman Joke: Culchies, Cute Hoors, and the Emergence of a Late Modern Fool Region Joke". Western Folklore. 73 (2/3). United States: Western States Folklore Society: 297–322.

[1] Christie Davies "The Irish Joke as a Social Phenomenon". In John Durant and Jonathan Miller. Laughing Matters: A Serious Look at Humour. London: Longmans. ISBN 978-0-470-21185-4

[leahlow-2] Lowthorp, Leah (2014-03-01). "The Irish Kerryman Joke: Culchies, Cute Hoors, and the Emergence of a Late Modern Fool Region Joke". Western Folklore. 73 (2/3). United States: Western States Folklore Society: 297–322.

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