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Can maybe someone skilled proof the facts? I'm not quite shure, they are that right...

I can proof the facts, but just in German... In fact, I had to edit a bit on adoption, but the rest of the text was quite good.

Life partnerships

Are life partnerships (in Germany) exclusive to same-sex partnerships? Nil Einne 19:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes.

http://www.lesben.org/LPartG.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.12.171.218 (talk) 15:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Hamburg / Bundesrat same-sex marriage vote

Can anyone give a better source for this? I flagged it with "page needed," because the source is simply to the homepage of a German news site, and my German is too poor for me to find the page by searching there. I tried Googling and searching European gay news sources for this for an hour, no joy. If you can help, please do. Thanks. Frimmin (talk) 01:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Christian parties"

I find the term "Christian parties" in the section "Registered partnership" somewhat misleading. The two major conservative parties are the CDU (which does not run in Bavaria) and the CDU (which only runs in Bavaria). The two caucus together on the federal level. While they have "Christian" in their name for historical reasons, they are neither restricted to Christian members or interests, nor strongly allied with any church or denomination. Despite their name, they are no more Christian than e.g. the Conservative Party in the UK. If there is no opposition, I'll change the phrase to "major conservative parties". --Stephan Schulz (talk) 00:00, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is still an ideological difference between the Conservative Party in the UK and the CDU. At least in its rhetorics the CDU very much emphazises on its Christian background. Peter Tauber is the party's general secretary. Here he explains why he voted in favor of same-sex marriages http://blog.petertauber.de/?p=3100 It's full of religious talk - uttering a lot of understanding words why especially Catholic CDU deputies think that the word "marriage" is reserved for opposite-sex marriages. Volker Kauder, leader of the CDU in the Bundestag, still calls the Christian faith as the principal guideline of CDU politics http://volker-kauder.de/zur-person/politische-grundsaetze/index.html --2A02:908:13B1:B8C0:1CC9:8827:1B93:D4F3 (talk) 07:01, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

very negative article

As a german I remember the big discussion about same sex marriage back in 2000 and I have since then assumed that same sex marriage is legal (despite the fact that it is not called a "marriage" but this is more of a relegious thing) and same sex couples have equal rights and im surprised to see an article that is so negativistic about the status of same sex marriage in germany. I would like to know what is actually missing? 77.1.65.85 (talk) 02:21, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Facts are facts, "Registered life partnership" do not give same rights than Marriage. I am surprised that a german does not know the laws of his own country--190.124.155.112 (talk) 14:31, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SPD same sex marriage bill March 2017

The article states that SPD would introduce a same sex marriage bill in the Bundestag by March 2017. Has this happened, or has it been decided not to submit it anymore? Was there news that can be added to the article on the matter since March? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Touyats (talk • contribs) 13:50, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did not find such bill in the Bundestag's database, so most likely they didn't do so. SPQRobin (talk) 18:22, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 July 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Recognition of same-sex unions in Germany → Same-sex marriage in Germany – The Bundestag has passed the bill. This is the standard for an article title in this category. Also change per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:NPOVTITLE. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:01, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support As nom says this is the usual (and most correct) format for articles of this nature. AusLondonder (talk) 00:01, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Tentative Support I'd be inclined to wait until the Bundesrat has given its offical approval in a couple of days and the bill has been signed into law. Presuming that happens (which is almost certain), its likely SSM would begin Nov. 1 this year but the wildcard is a likely challenge to the law in the constitutional court. If that looks like being seriously considered by the court then I'd wait until either a ruling is handed down, court knocks back the challenge or SSM simply goes into effect. Jono52795 (talk) 02:51, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Jono. We should wait until it passes the Bundesrat. At that point, the President of Germany has no choice but to sign (per German law) Andrew1444 (talk) 03:56, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, the President can (and must) refuse to sign it if he considers the law unconstitutional. That's extremely unlikely, but in principle it's possible.--Roentgenium111 (talk) 14:01, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I think the suggested name does not reflect the content of this article well. It currently devotes equal attention to partnerships and marriage, which are distinct legal concepts. Same-sex marriage does not supersede partnership, so why should the title exclude the latter? "Same-sex unions in Germany" would be my preferred title.–Totie (talk) 14:49, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On that basis, almost all the 'Same-sex marriage in [COUNTRY NAME]' articles should be changed to 'same-sex unions in...' as opposed to 'same-sex marriage in...' Are you proposing that? Jono52795 (talk) 22:53, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps they should be changed. Regardless, I think this has no bearing upon this discussion. I am not persuaded that we have to follow the nomenclature of similar articles. WP:NAMINGCRITERIA itself states that this is but a goal, not a rule. "Same-sex unions in Germany" seems to be the more precise title for this article and I find that more important. We can always have a redirect.–Totie (talk) 20:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are sites for registered partnership in the UK and designated reciprocal benefits in Hawaii, though these are rather comprehensive in nature with details on what these statuses entail. Since the "recognition of same-sex unions in..." usually details the historical progression of rights, it seems only logical to note "marriage" when full equal rights are realized. Andrew1444 (talk) 23:33, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, to be honest, I don't think 'Same-sex unions in...' would be a bad idea. Marriage is a form of union, after all, and it would mean we wouldn't have to have this discussion every time a country legalises same-sex marriage, and it is true that many of these articles discuss more than just same-sex marriage itself. It would also mean more consistency with Registered partnership in Switzerland and Registered partnership in the Czech Republic. Jdcooper (talk) 13:25, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That discussion would need to happen elsewhere, and it outside the scope of this requested move. Me-123567-Me (talk) 17:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, for sure. This move makes sense for now. Jdcooper (talk) 20:33, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the view that it is out of scope, for the reason I gave above.–Totie (talk) 20:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to rewriting the article to reflect such a historic or linear perspective. However, it currently is not.–Totie (talk) 20:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

With respect to User:Totie once signature by President has occurred the title should change to 'Same-sex marriage in Germany', per WP:CONSISTENCY. This idea has been raised for jurisdictions where SSM is legal at some level (ie: performed in some parts, recognised by central govt but not a sub jurisdiction- see Talk:Same-sex marriage in Guernsey) but in my view your idea should be put to a broader discussion which might change the other countries titles on this subject. This article's style is virtually identical to other countries which have legalised SSM, so I don't see why we should change it now. It would be odd to have 23 countries listed on Wikipedia where SSM is legal only one of them has a title different to all the others. That's my view. Jono52795 (talk) 08:58, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree with Totie that something like "Same-sex unions" would be more appropriate for this article - most other countries didn't have civil unions for a full 16 years before legalizing SSM. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 18:27, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don't see this as a good reason to make exception in this case. Besides, registered life partnership will no longer be available. Ron 1987 (talk) 21:38, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:CONSISTENCY. Ron 1987 (talk) 21:11, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support now that it has passed the Bundesrat. Andrew1444 (talk) 22:03, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

support now it has passed, as we did with every other adoption. We can make two articles of course in the end, but we need sometihg directly under the same sex title, and a split off is also possible later

Splitting the article would be a good solution. This could be the good basic for the article on life partnerships. Ron 1987 (talk) 00:14, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support and I don't see much sense in splitting the article off, this is a progression in rights and obligations given until marriage was reached. Hekerui (talk) 20:27, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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first marriage 1 october 2017

see c:Category:Same-sex marriage in Germany. A number of town halls opened on sunday. But Berlin-Schöneberg held the very first ceremony of all. --C.Suthorn (talk) 14:25, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Laut Mikrozensus gab es 2020 insgesamt 163.000 gleichgeschlechtliche Ehepaare: Fehler bei der Erhebung von Geschlecht vermutet

281 000 same sex couples. According to the Federal Statistical Office , there were a total of 163,000 same-sex married couples at the end of 2020 . 34,000 couples also live in a registered civil partnership. The figures are based on extrapolations from the microcensus .[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.48.31.34 (talk) 12:37, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]