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Apicides

Hi. I hope this note finds you in the best of health. You'll (I hope) remember me from AUE (and the SDC).

Google and Gutenberg show that the Hapgood translation of Les Misérables includes the following line:

I believe that naturalists call this bird Caracara Polyborus; it belongs to the order of the Apicides, and to the family of the vultures.

Now, I can't find any other reference anywhere to the Apicide (or Apicides) order (or taxon of any other level). Do you have any idea what Apicides' usual name might be, and whether anyone else calls them Apicides?

Thanks much.—msh210℠ 20:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Of course I remember you, and I hope your health is good—mine is.

Here is a snippet reference to Hugo's source. Vieillot may have been the only person to use the name. Maybe it's related to "apex" and refers to the Falconiformes' pointy claws and beaks? —JerryFriedman (Talk) 22:28, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, my French isn't what it once... actually, I've never known French. He seems to be saying merely that Vieillot named an order Apicide(s) — or is it that he referred to an order as apicides (meaning, that that's its common name in French)? — I can't figure out which it is.

Also, can we assume that Vieillot's "order" is our "order" and hence refers to Falconiformes?

Finally, I originally assumed that apicide(s) was a reference to birds that eat bees: is any family (or other taxon) of birds of prey known for that? Or do you think that that's ridiculous?

Thanks again.—msh210℠ 16:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, temporary cortical malfunction.

...to consult Bory St.-Vincent's dictionary of natural history and I found this "Polyborus Caracara, a genus established by Vieillot in his order of apicides, family of vulturians"; the rest is without interest. The author studies anatomical characteristics and restrains himself from speaking of striking external signs such as the singular coloration of the eye etc.

I think he's saying that Vieillot established and named the order. I'm not sure, now that you mention it, that it's our Falconiformes.

Now that you mention bee-eating, the Red-throated Caracara feeds mainly on bee and wasp larvae. The honey-buzzards also feed mostly on wasp larvae, which might be close enough to bees. Could Vieillot have used "order" for something smaller than a family (the commentator on Hugo does put "order" between "genus" and "family") and included these species and maybe similar ones in an "order" of bee- or wasp-eating vulture-like raptors? Stranger things have happened.

Lots of passerines eat flying insects, including bees, and the non-passerine family of bee-eaters specialize in them (and will repay anyone who likes pictures of colorful birds). Many honeyguides eat lots of beeswax and some bee larvae. I can't really imagine placing them with the caracaras, though. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 23:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks much for your thoughts. I suppose for further clarification of what Vieillot meant, one would have to read what he wrote (after first finding where in his works this is!).

Thanks again. All the best,—msh210℠ 19:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Cairns

It may be of benefit for you to see wikt:regional (4).--Jeffro77 (talk) 22:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the link. I've modified it slightly to jump straight to the English section. I believe it is mainly Australian editors who edit the Cairns article, and I suspect that many Australians aren't aware that this use of regional is not in international usage, so it may help to make the purpose of the wiktionary link as clear as possible.--Jeffro77 (talk) 15:47, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

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Reply: Split Infinitive

Hi Jerry! I haven't used this 'User Talk' before, so I hope I'm doing it right.

My reason for altering the comment about Shakespeare's split infinitive is that in this case, the original verb is not "to be", but "to be pitied". By inverting the order, Shakespeare has not inserted any new word into the verb form (as would be the case with a true split infinitive, such as "to arbitrarily change"); he has merely re-arranged the word order of a single verb.

I guess I should have checked the Discussion page first (where I now see you have already had this discussion before!) - my apologies for that. While I'm fairly confident in my interpretation, I freely admit that I am no professional grammarian, so if some higher authority over-rules me and wishes to revert it, I have no problem with that; but that's the way I would see it.

Thanks for getting in touch!

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Re: Undescribed Nepenthes

Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I closely follow botanical developments in this genus, so I'll be able to recategorise the images as soon as the species is formally described. Cheers, mgiganteus1 (talk) 16:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Mixed-species flocks

Jerry, while writing Common Firecrest I came across two links about the benefits of flocking. The first, in particular, compares flock-positive and flock-negative species. Any use? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

• Herrera, Carlos M. "Ecological aspects of heterospecific flocks formation in a Mediterranean passerine bird community" (PDF). Oikos. 33: 85–96. {{cite journal}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |1=, |month=, and |coauthors= (help)
• Jordano, Pedro (1987). "Frugivory, external morphology and digestive system in Mediterranean sylviid warblers Sylvia spp" (PDF). Ibis. 129: 175–189. {{cite journal}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

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what restaurant would you recomend in Española? Carptrash (talk) 17:27, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I live in Dixon, Well Embudo actually, have been thinking of posting a Bill Mauldin cartoon that he did on a wall at El Paragua and I have had two bad trips to Angelina's in a row - my wife has sworn "Never again." Me too. I am in Denver right now, but that's another story for another day. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 03:10, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

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Violins

Earlier in the article, it cites several double-blind studies which have found that the "better sound" of Stradivarius violins is entirely psychosomatic. People, no matter how well-trained in classical music (even professional violinists) could not accurately identify music played on a Stradivarius, plain and simple. The section I removed (and will soon re-remove after posting this message) is written based on the premise that either 1) Stradivarius violins sound better, or 2) they "might" sound better. This is akin to an article stating that studies have shown that people find water to be wet, then going on to explore the factors which might make water dry. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask! Badger Drink (talk) 04:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Sentence spacing

Greetings! I saw your post at Talk:Sentence spacing, since I gave myself a few more hours before signing off. Believe me when I tell you I don't mind e-mails from my talk page if you have questions or comments. Thanks for your interest in the article. Best, --Airborne84 (talk) 04:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: stichomythia

You are very kind: my translation is very simple, but I am glad if it can be useful. I am sorry I deleted the original; in fact, I agree it would be better to have the original in the article and the translation as a footnote.--Broletto (talk) 18:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

MILF

I stand corrected! AdeMiami (talk) 18:48, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Kenya

Jerry, we might go to Kenya's Masai Mara this autumn. Any bird field guide you would recommend? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:01, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Jerry, that looks a lot better than the ancient Birds of East Africa I picked up in a second-hand bookshop years ago. We're only going for about a week (our round-the world cleaned us out!), so we probably won't get to the other sites, but looking forward to going. A bit irritating having to get a proper visa, but can't be helped. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Muscular Christianity

Thanks for your note. "The origins of Muscular Christianity can be traced back to the New Testament where St. Paul and others used athletic metaphors to help describe the challenges of the Christian life (1 Corinthians 6:19; 1 Corinthians 9:24-25; and 2 Timothy 4:7)." I will add it to the article. [1] Nirvana2013 (talk) 17:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Birdchat

Good idea, thanks for that Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:00, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Sentence spacing studies

Greetings! Thanks for your interest at the sentence spacing talk page. I've been musing about sentence spacing readability for the past six months and have reached some new conclusions. It's not really appropriate material for an article talk page. If you're interested, I'll drop a few thoughts here. With your background and interest in this subject, you might have some more insights. Best, --Airborne84 (talk) 19:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

It occurred to me that claims of greater readability for single sentence spacing as well as double could both be right. It depends on how you define "readability". Most people probably think of readability as speed of reading, or "how fast can I read this"? David Jury, for example, in the note I placed on the sentence spacing talk page, was referring to this. If that is the measure, my theory is that double sentence spacing would be less readable. It places a visible pause signal in the text, and would likely add additional saccades, or simply slow the reader by adding pauses. That seems an inevitable side affect (only a theory of course).

But speed of reading is not the only possible measure of readability. Miles Tinker listed the following measures of readability in Legibility of Print: "speed of perception", "perceptibility at a distance", "perceptibility in peripheral vision", "visibility", "the reflex blink technique", "rate of work" (e.g., speed of reading), "eye movements", and "fatigue in reading". I'd have to pull the book back out, but I think the first one is akin to "reading comprehension". It could be possible that slowing readers on purpose could actually increase comprehension, maybe in a similar manner that some people think the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow the typist so the typebars wouldn't jam. That would assume that slowing reading in this manner increases comprehension—that there's an inverse relationship between speed and comprehension (another theory, but a reasonable one I think).

The studies done by the team at the University of Georgia don't have too much to say on this yet. The first studies only considered "reading time", but later studies looked at both reading time and comprehension. You already know that no significant differences were found, although they noted that more studies were needed. Also, I wouldn't extrapolate studies on digital media to print media; they're just too different, and that's been shown in other scientific testing. But, they're all we have to look at right now.

Anyway, I wondered what would happen if single sentence spacing turned out to be more readable when it comes to speed of reading and double sentence spacing turned out to be more readable for comprehension. Would readers of books, magazines, and newspapers want their type set in a way that purposely slowed them down? Some might, if they knew it would help them retain material. Others probably wouldn't—especially in our efficient moderm world where people take speed reading classes to help get through massive amounts of reading material. But, given sufficient tests, some optimal solution might be found somewhere between a single word space and a double or triple word space that would maximize speed and comprehension. Typesetters and typipsts would probably choose whichever spacing was closest to that, and tap the keyboard as many times as needed to simulate it—after decades of agonizing protests against change, of course. Unfortunately, I doubt there will ever be sufficient studies to identify that point...if it exists...if it's the same in digital and print media...and if any of the above theories are actually true in the first place. --Airborne84 (talk) 12:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

IOC Taxonomic Changes

Thanks for the info Jerry on taxonomic/scientific name changes regarding the IOC. I see what you mean about using multiple resources to make taxonomic changes. I was fine until I got to Francolins, then it turns into a big cluster. My only problem with waiting for Howard & Moore is it may make things worse, not better. On our site, Genus and family scientific names may not match up with the species listing. Also some of the other Francolin genus splits were done, but not others, and some were started but not finished, and nothing recent about continutions. Other stuff I found: Information for one species was on a page that should have been moved to another (Gunnison Grouse had info with citations for Sage Grouse for example). I changed back the Piping Guan genus back to Pipile due to the South American committee of the AOU rejecting the move to the genus Aburria as we had it listed. IOC, Avibase and others agree with the Pipile classification now. This is going to take a ton of work to synch up over a long period of time, my fear is we may never get it right as new changes get published...I'll keep going as I have time, but this sure is tedious...Any further thoughts?...... Pvmoutside (talk) 19:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

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Right on time! Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 08:23, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

seen those; I'll have to ask around what the name is. It's very far in the East, almost past the border of Dinétah. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 22:51, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads-up. It may take me some time to get to this. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 05:54, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for providing such a polite edit summary. :)  -- WikHead (talk) 22:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

And thanks for the heads-up about that user. I stumble upon a lot of bird articles while patrolling, and this information is good to know. I will take your advice wisely. Have yourself a great day Jerry, and happy editing! :)  -- WikHead (talk) 23:49, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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Birds and their subspecies

Hi Jerry, I decided to add some synonyms to your article Green-backed Sparrow, and I also wrote a small segment for subspecies and their distribution. I personaly think it will be easier for bird watchers or future enthomologists to know which subspecies live where, not just the species and its general distribution, won't you agree? Is it O.K. to do it?--Mishae (talk) 23:16, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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Autopartol

Can you autopatrol for me those article without them being reverted?:

• Miss Waldron's red colobus
• Ursine colobus--Mishae (talk) 19:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Do you use AWB for any reason? Thats what I ment.--Mishae (talk) 03:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC) Okay, then just put them into your watch list (I however don't get the point in doing so).

In the Halle of the mountain Keyser

Hello, Jerry. I've recently taken an interest in the Iambic Pentameter article. It seems you bear the same love for H-K as I do. Once I gather my courage, my plan is to post something like this [now moved to talk page -pw] to the talk page, then remove the entire H-K section to the talk page, whence little bits of it can be reinstated elsewhere later if they behave themselves. Any words of wisdom? Phil wink (talk) 19:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Between you and me (if you care) Wright's Shakespeare's Metrical Art is probably the best treatment I've seen on just the kind of line variations you've mentioned; it's also practical, written for people, and places Shakespeare's verse in historical context quite admirably. Then Groves's Strange Music: The Metre of the English Heroic Line is the best technical explanation of the line I've seen (NB: No one agrees with me on this, so I may be wrong. The book is out-of-print and already forgotten, I think undeservedly). But all that is just if you want more than could possibly fit in a WP article.

On the "caesura", it happens I've begun a sort of typology because terminology is so inconsistent and abused. It's still very larval, so don't judge it too harshly. Since you seem to be interested in the linguistic side of verse, I may come back for advice on this too, if you don't mind. By the way, are you the one who referenced Duffell's New History of English Meter? It looks great and I've ordered it. Thanks again. Phil wink (talk) 22:59, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the moral support. Obviously I'm already quite unhappy with the direction this is going, but I'll put in at least one more word before I duck into my hole.

Re: "Caesura", I haven't read Perrine, but it's good that at least he makes the minimal distinction. Your quoted lines are a perfect example of what I consider a "real" caesura, in that it is metrically determined. I.e. if I alter it to:

"One kiss, my sweetheart, [x] I'm after a bonny prize to-night,

But I shall be back with the yellow gold before the morning light"

I've merely "varied the caesura for effect"... but really I've destroyed the rhythm, and written a line that would not be accepted in this verse form; this meter requires a caesura in the correct place. This is not at all the case in iambic pentameter, where "caesuras" are varied for effect... so (I argue) we're talking about distinct metrical phenomena, which are seldom made explicit. But enough of that. Phil wink (talk) 22:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

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Marita Veron article

Hi Jerry, I see you've been doing some work on the Marita Veron article. I don't have time to look at it in detail right now, but one thing I have noticed is that you have been inserting accents that were removed during the translation from the original Spanish article. While I think her full name in Spanish language should be given in the lede -- it certainly is helpful for Spanish language searches -- if you check the WP:MOS, where foreign language names have entered into the English language, and there is a standard way of writing them, Wikipedia uses the English language spelling. If you take a look at how BBC News does it, [2] I can't think of anyone more proper than BBC; I think the piece should follow their conventions. It seems the trial is now concluded, but I haven't had time to look at that either. Some things have been added by editors who don't seem to be native speakers: maybe more info can be found in English language sources, or the existing Spanish sources given better expression by a native English speaker. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 06:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Sentence Spacing

Hi,

I have some comments on your changes to the Sentence spacing page, which I've added to the talk page for that article.

Apus pacificus

I'm trying to find NAm records of Pacific Swift. I know there were 5 up to 1995, I'm struggling to find any later than that, let alone find RS sources. Any ideas? Thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Jerry, that's great. I was inspired to upgrade Pacific Swift after seeing my first in Suffolk a couple of weeks ago. We went away for a couple of days last week, including a day trip to the Farne Islands since there was a vagrant Bridled Tern there. Great place with incredible views (and smells) of the nesting seabirds, although I could have done without the jabs in the head from the Arctic Terns which choose to nest inches (literally) from the boardwalk. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Visit to England

Hi Jerry, I overlooked your message, my apologies. Minsmere is great, good variety of habitats: coast, wetlands, wader scrapes and woods. By the end of July there should be some wader migration too. If you get more than a day, the Norfolk coast reserves at Titchwell Marsh and Cley Marshes are pretty good too. You are welcome to come and see us, although I suspect the Burton-upon-Trent area may be a bit off your itinerary. Alternatively, I could meet you in East Anglia for the day if that fits.

If either of these suggestions seems feasible, email me and we can sort out contact details etc. Also if you need any advice (I don't know how well-travelled in the UK you are). I've driven in LA, compared to that, rural Suffolk should be easy, and, of course, you will be on the correct side of the road.

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Hello! I'm submitting this section because you reverted my edit, which changed "penises" to "aedeagi." I still hold to my original edit: Aedeagi, although analogous to penises, are not the same thing. In fact, they are really rather different, especially because the former is encased in an exoskeleton. Either way, as there already exists a page specifically for aedeagi, it is misleading to link to the penis page from a page concerning insects, especially when, in context, the hyperlinked text is clearly referring to the aedeagus. Basically, I ask that you reconsider your reversion. Thanks! Coooooookies (talk) 03:58, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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