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In the United States, it is native to three very limited areas located in Santa Cruz, Monterey, and San Luis Obispo Counties of California. In Mexico, it is found on two islands in the Pacific Ocean, Guadalupe Island and Cedros Island. On Guadalupe Island, located 280 km (150 nmi) off of the mainland coast, the pines are found on the steep northern end of the island, at elevations of around 500 to 1,200 m (1,600 to 3,900 ft)

I don't know how accurate this information is here. Species shouldn't be categorized by affiliation with artificial, regional governments like this, since trees don't recognize territorial claims. For an example of the problem, and how to reframe it, briefly consider the term "coastal California". It is a region composed of both the US and Mexico, of which Pinus radiata can be found in at least five reserves. Viriditas (talk) 23:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MPF added that wording back in 2004 (!). Given their expertise, they may wish to chime in. — hike395 (talk) 01:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm sure they will. The information isn't wrong, it just might need an update and a reframing. Viriditas (talk) 01:30, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the problem; it is just the names of the locations where the species occurs naturally. All place names are artificial human constructs and not recognised by trees, including 'California' and 'coast', as well as 'Santa Cruz County', etc. However, saying just "coastal California" is very broad, and includes a lot of area where the species doesn't occur naturally. If you want to avoid place names, the only other ways are to have a map (which is included already), or describe the locations as a series of latitude & longitude figures, which would be incomprehensible to most readers (it is of course humans who are reading this, not trees!). - MPF (talk) 10:24, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, speaking of broad, Pescadero, California, is a town in San Mateo County, California, which is where Año Nuevo State Park is located. Should we be referring to it as Santa Cruz? I believe it is 20 miles away from there within San Mateo County. The sources I have reviewed simply call it Point Año Nuevo, which is part of Año Nuevo State Park. I believe this is near the Santa Cruz-San Mateo county border. Viriditas (talk) 10:53, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I double-checked in Griffin & Critchfield, and see the Año Nuevo population straddles the Santa Cruz-San Mateo county border, but mostly on the Santa Cruz side (despite Año Nuevo point itself, which doesn't have Monterey Pines, being in San Mateo). Do please expand and clarify the text if you wish! - MPF (talk) 20:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In this context, "Point Año Nuevo" refers to the region, not the specific point, including the pines in Año Nuevo State Park in San Mateo County and the pines in Swanton, Santa Cruz. The pines are quite visible growing naturally on the Año Nuevo Point Trail on the San Mateo side, and are prominently featured in all the promotional literature on the hiking trails and in easily available photographs (see also Google Maps street view). Also, the paper you refer to is from 1972 and there's been lots of changes since then (I believe one of the most notable changes has been the increase of forest reserves on the Santa Cruz side since 2020). Geographer Ann Dittmer at CSU Northridge uses more precise wording to describe the location of the reserves: "Ano Nuevo-Swanton area, Monterey-Carmel area, Cambria, and two islands offshore Baja California". By referring to the reserve as "Ano Nuevo-Swanton area", it is including San Mateo and Santa Cruz counties together. Lastly, Dittmer's language has some currency, as she appears to have taken it from a 2004 article in the Monterey Bay Paleontological Society Bulletin.[1] Viriditas (talk) 21:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Acetylated Wood with 'minimum 70 year service life'

Accoya use radiata pine: https://www.accoya.com/uk/faq/what-is-accoya-wood-made-from/

which they react with acetic anhydride (concentrated acetic acid) at high temperature https://www.accoya.com/uk/why-accoya/

and claim a minimum 70 year service life whilst providing 50 year warranty. https://www.accoya.com/uk/why-accoya/benefits/

These claims are remarkable if true. If we can find some independent sources, this would be an interesting section of this article. Veej (talk) 19:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm somewhat skeptical, but there's some WP:RS on the acetylated wood article, esp. by R.M. Rowell, which might be useful.—Jon (talk) 01:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]