User talk:Angela/Archive15

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WIRED

Cool mention in WIRED magazine! Jawed 10:15, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Angela.

Angelaface.jpg

Hi Angela - I note that this picture is redirected to your user page - isn't this bad Wikiform? Nice picture though! Brookie\^talk 1/3/2005 08:04 PS Your blog link is down as well. B

Perhaps it is, but since it's just a photo of me, I don't think it's so important to be able to see the licensing information for it. Feel free to unredirect it if it really bothers you though.

Have removed the redirect for sake of consistency. Brookie\^talk

My blog is back up now. It was just out of bandwidth after the Slashdotting of Wikimedia's fundraising drive since I had a backup of the fundraising page there. Angela. 09:58, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Angela, alas, your blog is still off due to bandwidth problems :( Apwoolrich 10:30, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Try refreshing. It looks ok to me now. Angela 01:17, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

New languages

I have been recently updating the meta:Requests for new languages page trying to make it more clear what needs to be done to start a wiki in a new language. I'd like to have someone from the Board look it over to make sure I'm not being presumptious -- the previous procedure was confusing, apparently ad hoc and seems to have left requests in limbo for a long time.

I'll have a look tomorrow. (update: I think the Policy for wikis in new languages needs to become official policy before that page can be sorted out).

Since you are also a developer, I presume you have the power to make a new language wiki?

I don't have that ability. Tim removed my shell access just before he quit.

If so, there are sixteen languages listed (in their own section) which should be created AFAICT from existing policy (which basically says just to propose it and, barring any objections, ask a developer to set it up). There are a couple others which would be ready for creation but have no proposed code (and no official ISO code), so soon enough, I'll make sure this silly little obstacle is overcome and they will then be ready. Since many of the people who are proposing new languages presumably don't know English (or de or ja or fr or other big wiki language) very well, if at all, they may be uncomfortable with finding and asking a developer, so I'm trying to streamline the process. Is there some other step that should be taken? There is a proposed requirement for five supporting users, but this isn't policy as of yet, so I'm assuming all it takes is one.

No one has opposed the proposed policy, so I don't think it should just be ignored.

Anyway, I'm willing to work with the Board/developers on ensuring the most efficient system to do this, but there doesn't seem to really be a system right now, so I'm kind of making it up -- it appears the only way to get a wiki in your language at the moment is to pester Wikipedia-l in English, which is a bad system for developers, proposers and everyone.

I think pestering wikipedia-l is more likely to delay a request than help speed up the process.

If there's no barrier to creation I don't know about, is there a specific developer in charge of creating new wikis?

Basically, new wiki requests have almost always been decided by Brion. I don't know what policy, if any, he follows for this, but there haven't been many objections to that, which is why I expect people are happy enough for this to continue rather than trying to create a policy for it.

I'd actually like to remove the mailing list requirement altogether, since that seems rather un-wiki (and appears to be neither followed, nor very effective when it is followed).

I agree.

Anyway, sorry for the rambling message, I just hate to see these requests (and the potential momentum behind them) linger on in limbo. Tuf-Kat 00:56, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC) (it would probably be best to contact me on my meta page.) Another question: one of the sixteen languages is Mikasuki (no en article), a Native American language with no ISO code. The proposer recommended nia, a generic code for unclassified North American Indian languages. Is it considered acceptable to use such a code? Tuf-Kat 01:00, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

No. I think we need a better policy of what to do for wikis with no code so they remain consistent with each other. Angela. 01:25, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

Dilemma of ko

Hi Angela,

Ko has a dilemma: on one hand there are few users are active and experienced, on the other hand there is hardly found someone is willing to talk freely of e.g. following problems with which ko is confronted.

• It has happened pretty frequently that users move or redirect pages erroneously. There was even IP user who moved pages manually, since move action needs login, or since they will be anonym. It's not a matter of reason for moving article, but a matter of rules of move or redirect. It is common rule that history of moving article must be in any case kept. But that is not the case in point; history is not only lost, but also user who does this action appears unjustly as contributor of article. A very doubtful transaction! I do not think users who do it are not aware of this blunder. They are not newcomer. Moreover, I have recently edited much help pages and emended so that one learns easely rules and attentions like of move or of redirect. Although I've referred to this error, admins don't take any notice of it. Would you point out on ko bulletin board what admin should do in this and other case.

Perhaps a help page like Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves would help? I don't think the problem is that "admins don't take any notice of it" but that there are not enough admins. I tried nominating a couple of users as admins there a while ago, but both refused the nomination. There's only one active admin. A wiki with over 6700 articles really needs more than that. Angela.

• I've also asked weeks ago for deleting a amount of pages as having violated copyright. They could be deleted by the deletion policy I've recently also new edited. They are still there. The list of deleting candidates is hier linked except [Template:저작권 위반]

This is the same problem - far too few admins on that Wikipedia. Angela.

• Another problem: I've indicated that Allmessages must be revised since Mediawiki version 1.4 has been installed. But nothing has happened (e.g. see Upload page and Login). So far as I know, Brion VIBBER has one times corrected Minoreditletter Newpageletter on the Recent Change. There are yet much messages to be revised and translated alike - therefore I had asked you per e-mail. -- --17:26, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC) 아흔(A-heun)

Have you considered being an admin at ko yourself so you could fix these? Angela.

Can you direct me to some help?

I have reason to believe that a Wikipedian is being railroaded by another Wikipedian through the agressive use of sock puppets in a Request for Comment action. The Wikipedian that I think is using sockpuppets has already had a formal complaint placed against him last fall for the same behaviors. Can you refer me to someone, or a forum, or a discussion page where I can bounce my thoughts off of and get some feedback? Thanks, Jeri Jrossman 19:00, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

WP:RFC, WP:AN or WP:RFAr. Angela.

VFD Bot

VFD Bot and Sandbot are now marked as bots on the English Wikipedia. If you ever need these flags removed, just ask at m:requests for permissions. Angela. 11:51, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Angela. -- AllyUnion (talk) 12:42, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Defacing of kr:-wikipedia

The Kanouri wikipedia was yesterday defaced by a vandal abusing Rickk's username with a goatse-style image. I reverted it, but to delete the image permanently someone with admin-access is needed. As a beaurocrat can you take care of that? andy 20:24, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fixed. Angela.

bm.wikipedia adminship gone

Hi. So I was admin for at least a short period of time. But now I'm not anymore. I don't really know what happened. Maybe it is related to strange stuff I've seen happening at the Limburgish Wikipedia, edits somehow being undone. Database restore? Oh, so my request is to make me admin of bm:, again, hopefully the last time :) Thanks, G-u-a-k-@ 18:30, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Anthere fixed it. :) G-u-a-k-@ 18:32, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I'm not quite sure what happened. Angela.

Bring back quickpolls

I think it's time that quickpolls be re-evaluated as a solution to short term disputes between users. What say you? --Ryan! | Talk 05:13, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

I sort of agree, although WP:AN can be used now, which makes quickpolls less necessary. Maybe we should have a quickpoll on whether to bring them back. :) Angela.

Romanian Wikibooks

Hi Angela, there's a problem on Romanian Wikibooks, where there is just one admin, who posts copyrighted materials, such as Tom Clancy books. I told him to delete them a few weeks ago, but he's not very cooperative in taking them down...[1]. Bogdan | Talk 11:06, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is there anyone else who could become an admin to delete these? Has there been any sort of community vote on whether they need to be deleted or is there not enough of a community there to do that? Angela.

There is currently no community. The admin Utilizator:D.evil said he agrees with the deletion and he did delete a few of those pages, but since this happened (about two weeks ago), he made no edit.

I could be an admin and keep an eye on that project until there would actually be a community there. Bogdan | Talk 19:35, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

HELP! Nazarenes

Please help me, I do not know what to do since I am new to all this. I need objective eyes to look at what is happening on the section entitled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarenes#The_Raanana_Beth_Din_Netzarim. A user by the name of Jayig has written a highly POV unsourced section slandering the widely despised Beth Din Netzarim. He does not respond to any requests for enlightened discussion but instantly re-posts his version. Please read through the discussion and look at the dates please. I have spent a long time gathering the info which is posted and feeel it is a good start. I really need mediation on this please could you pass my message on to any editors who can help. Preferably non-Christian and non-Jew, or at least editors who do not let their emmotions rule their edits. Please help.81.158.1.138 11:32, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

WP:RFM is the best place to ask for mediation. Angela.

Heya

Hi, I've been told that you are the person to talk to if I would like to revoke my admin privileges. I'd like to do this as I'm leaving the project. This has nothing to do with being against the ideals of the project - they are wonderful and most likely achievable in some form, or anything to do with Wikipedia's perceived unreliability (though there are some issues that need to be worked on), or in fact anything to do with anyone I've encountered on Wikipedia! I just need to make a clean break with the project (though I might do he odd edit here and there). It's not fair for me to retain those privileges when I won't be contributing anymore.

I'd like to say that Wikipedia is the most amazing software project I've ever worked on. It will be wonderful when (and if) Wikipedia 1.0 gets released! Please, keep up the good work. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:48, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Angela. I appreciate you doing this. I'll probably pop around every now and again and give a bit to the fundraising days if I have the money. Hope things go well with you and the board! - Ta bu shi da yu 08:00, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Javier Solana

I and my family are being threatened by User:Cumbey, who also believes I am hacking into the wiki database! Can you take a look; it is all about different interpreatations of Javier Solana. She believes he is the antichrist, and has taken great offence to my removing this thesis from the article. --SqueakBox 19:31, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

The main threat is to tell the police here I have a stash of marijuana; this based on my interest on Rastafarianism. I think it is aamn empty threat as she doesn't know where I live, only in La Ceiba in Honduras. Things are not like in the UK/US here. No-one wants the negative attentions of the police. She has absolutely no justification for thinking I am in possession of marijuana, i.e. just attacking. But to unjustly and without cause bring the police here is, in my opinion, a threat to me and my family. but it would not be appropriate to ring the police, I feel. I have no idea whether making false claims to the police is an offence here, I would guess so, but getting the police involved in one's false cklaims can do a lot of damage to the other party.

The other charge she is making is that I hacked into the wiki data base; she wants to see me go down for a long time for this. I know the Honduran authorities would not investigate this without hard evidence. At wikipedia she also accuses User:hierarchypedia of being my sockpuppet. These last 2 spurious allegations make me question her mental health, which is partly why I am concerned.

She knows my name (from my talk page) and is threatening to smear it all over the net. She writes my name all over her talk page, and I removed all the references.

The basic problem as she sees it, I think, is that I am working for Javier Solana in order to remove the evidences she placed in the article proving that he is the antichrist. She has told me she is going to write to Jimbo Wales demanding to see the hard discs (to get evidence that I have been contaminating them, doctoring the evidence, etc, and also to demand that he reinstate her version of the Solana article. And I thought I was here to write encyclopedia articles. --SqueakBox 23:16, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

She thinks I have befriended the new editors on the Solana article, because they are not telling the truth the way she sees it either. If she goes ahead with pursuing Jimbo she may then start to blame him for manipulating evidence, etc, as well. I think she thinks I am a personal friend of his (don't know him). I hope she will just go away, but am concerned she won't.

Anyway many thanks for your note. You were recommended as a good person to come to. I am at the end of my tether with all this. --SqueakBox 23:33, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

Javier Solana Update

I now think Cumbey, in her threats to turn me over to the Police for supposed marijuana use, is persecuting me for my religious beliefs. While her threats have only come through email, the conversation about religion certainly began at wikipedia. I decided to express a Rasta philosophy, telling her it states clearly states in the bible that Haile Selassie is God, and her response was that I am mad, and to threaten to call the authorities about what she falsely alleges is my secret stash. I think given the conversation about Christianity and Rastafarianism. Religious persecution is unacceptable. There is nothing I have ever written on wikipedia which could be construed as meaning I use cannabis. What do you think Wikipedia's attitude to this might be.

She still seems to think I hacked in to wiki data bases. if she makes either of these allegations public I will sue her for damaging my reputation as someone who doesn't break the law. I have the resources, so at least I am clear about my potential response to her threats. As another user said, she is not acting like a Michigan lawyer should act.

I took your advice and have permanently retired from Javier Solana. I have left the article in good shape, and with a lot of people working on it who are interested in Solana as a politician. I get fun out of writing encyclopedia articles. this Cumbey business has been no fun at all, and I just want to get on with my life again.

She is also accusing me in email of being paid by Javier Solana, which I strongly resent as I am an unpaid volunteer here. Obviously I am keeping the emails but see User talk:Guettarda#Solana. --SqueakBox 22:33, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

Runa Simita (Quechuan) wiki again.

Hi, Angie. I'd prefer telling you good news about the proyect, but that's no t exectly the case. I could thanslate most of interfce into quechua, but it's not enought. The principal matter is that... I'm the only one here :'( ! Anyway, I've been looking at the other wikis and their systems. I've get to a conclusion: If we don't advance with the wiktionary (in quechua, Wiksimitaqi) idea's dead. So, I've made the request page for sysop switching as meta's new rules says, but nobody's helpin'. So, I've wonder if could you help with that matter. It's worst that wikipidiya, beacouse it has just a lonely page:the main page. Thanks, A. Huhsunqu 04:57, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Official mailing list - Arb policy

I agree with you and I have created this: Wikipedia:Arbitration policy/Proposals/Official mailing list in response. Enjoy. -- AllyUnion (talk) 23:19, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

More sysops for Wikiquote

Hi, Angela,

There is as yet no one who is a bureaucrat at Wikiquote, but things have been getting busier there, and I would like to become one, so that more people can become sysops. So far I remain the most active one there, but there are a few people who have been making extensive edits who I think should probably be made into sysops within the next few weeks. I recently felt the time had finally come to protect the Main Page there, because it was increasingly becoming a target for spam vandals and others.

I have already asked one highly active user, Jeff Q, if he would be interested in becoming a sysop, and he has confirmed that he would. In many ways I actually think he would make a better sysop than I am, because he seems more constantly online, has proven himself skillful at creating convenient layouts on many pages that he has worked on, and seems more willing to engage in much of the dialog that is necessary on any wiki project. If I was given bureaucrat status, I would immediately make him a sysop, and within the next week or so would probably ask at least two or three other users who have been active lately if they would be interested as well. Whether I am made a bureaucrat or not, I believe that Jeff Q and a few others certainly deserve to be given sysop status soon. ~ Kalki 19:17, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok, but the vote should be left open for a week before I can make you one. Angela. 20:29, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the swift response. ~ Kalki 20:54, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Happy Easter, Angela. A week has now passed, with a little to spare, and so far nothing but positive votes and comments for myself, Jeff Q, and the other users that I nominated a couple of days later. Though I had expected to be busy this week with other things, I had ended up being much busier than I thought, and the need and usefulness of more sysops at Wikiquote has become more obvious than ever. I am eager to start the process of adding to the ranks of admins there as soon as possible; If I am to be given bureaucrat status, I would like test out the ability with Jeff Q. The other users who were nominated, and who haven't declined the privilege would likely be due to become sysops by this Wednesday. Thanks for all your work everywhere in the Wikimedia realms. ~ Kalki 19:45, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I just made you one, but it looks like Anthere had already done it. :) Angela.

The Oregon Trail image

Can't we claim that image as fair use? The anon who's trying to claim copyright violation isn't claiming any standing to make the copyright claim. RickK 06:50, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, your comments on the Copyright problems page are probably the way to go. RickK 06:59, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

You're very welcome; not every complainant is so reasonable, of course. A lucky break. :) -- Hadal 04:57, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

New Page

How can I add to my MediaWiki a link or button like "New Page". On click a new form ( like EditPage but with an extra textbox where you can select your pagetitle ) should open where you can easily type in a new text.

Probably. Do you mean you want it as part of the sidebar? If so, see meta:FAQ#How do i change the contents of the navigation toolbar?. :It's easier to just use the search feature for this though. See Wikicities:Help:Searching#Create new articles from the search form. Angela. 21:39, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

I tried to use the search feature and I read the link you gave me. Either I can't read correctly or I am just stupid. It won't work. Where do I have to add the code fragments? I have to say that I am a trainee in application developement and I am from Germany so excuse my english please :)

Try copying MediaWiki:Searchquery and MediaWiki:Nogomatch to that same titles on your wiki. Then, when you use the search feature, it will link to the article when that article doesn't exist, allowing you to create it. If that doesn't help, you might want to subscribe to the mediawiki-l mailing list and ask there. Angela. 06:35, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Bydgoszcz

Dear Angela. Saw your reverts to this article. Just wanted to let you know that those changes were made in very good faith and intention: i) To remove the not factual unconfirmed reference that Bromberg was falling out of use, and little simplification of speech (German instead of German Language) -- I had to delete a link in order to do that, as text was not directly inserted and ii) include a more straightforward reference and to the point (I think) reference to the status of the city after 1945. I lived n Warsaw, visited Bydgoszcz several times and liked it very much :) Thanks. BBird 22:45, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry -- I went back again to see the edits and saw that in fact the very last edit I made deleted the first section of the article. This was not intented in any way I do not know I it happened. Must have done something stupid. BBird 22:52, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

CD covers

Hi. I’m writing in order to find out what I should do in case I have permission to use images. First I give you a little explanation:

I have been writing about Icelandic music in the Spanish version using album covers under the fair use criteria. Now as it seems to be out of the question, lots of images are in danger of being lost. But I got permission to use these images from both: musicians (2) and record companies (3). I have no intentions to use images to promote, but only to report (you know what I mean: I’m a Wikipedian!).

How should I proceede? The templates used for albums are designed to include image covers, so what clasification should I provide on each corresponding description page?

I particularly tend to upload images no larger than 250 px wide (JPEG) and I don’t think there is a reason to consider this as an infringement of copyright laws. I’m willing to exchange some ideas with you in order to avoid making egregious mistakes. Kind regards, Luis María Benítez 14:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Counting the votes

Greetings Angela. I've been heading up Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion for a while now, deciding whether there's consensus to delete on the many humdrum cases that come up. But the debate on Image:Autofellatio.jpg is a hot item now, with close to a hundred votes already, and it's quite a special case. I was wondering if I could solicit your help in counting the votes. It's going to be rather close, and I'm quite sure there will be many people crying "foul" no matter how the issue is decided. It's also rather complicated, with some users voting with very few edits to their name, and others with votes contingent on other decisions. If you're willing to help with the vote counting, I'd be delighted. If not, what neutral and respected person would you recommend? Thanks, – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 16:03, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Ukrainian Wikinews

Hello, Angela.

Help me please.

• Change "Вікіновини:Адміністратори" to "ВікіНовини:Адміністратори" as PAGE for admins in Ukrainian wikinews (http://uk.wikinews.org)
• And look for {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}. It's doesn't work on Ukrainian WikiNews. Always show "-1"... Inetd

Replied at Wikinews. Angela.

Slow mediation

Slow mediation? After 10 days at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation I gave up. I have replaced the demand because Cumbey is still making wild accusations, and blaming me for what I see as her religious persecution of me (what do you expect you are a rasta type remarks, all at User talk:Jimbo Wales). Is there any way to hurry the mediation process, 10 days with no response is taking the mickey. --SqueakBox 16:54, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

About CD covers again

Thanks for your answer. I knew it was possible to include images of this nature only through fair use. That's my intention! but the Spanish version has stopped using this type of classification and I have argued with someadministrators who don't let me upload CD images because of obscure reasons that go beyond simple understanding. Thanks again. Luis María Benítez 22:43, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bureaucrat

Hello Angela, sorry for bothering you again. There are still 2 dutch projects that lack a bureaucrat. I am bureaucrat at nl.wikipedia and nl.wikimedia and sysop at nl.wikibooks and nl.wiktionary. At nl.wikinews and nl.wikibooks there is no bureaucrat. Can you give me (temporary) bureaucratstatus so we can organise things ourselves? Thank you. CE 06:38, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Need admin rights on Klingon

The Klingon WP is currently devasteted by the autofellatio vandal, who also moves around the articles and edits the auto-created redirects, thus making it impossible to clean up the mess without admin rights. As there are only 3 admins there who seem to have no time to clean up the mess, can you give me (tlh:User:Ahoerstemeier) admin rights so I can delete those redirects and move the articles back. Careful - don't use tlh:User:AHoerstemeier, another vandal account of that imposter. andy 10:57, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Seems like Timwi now takes care of it (and blocked me already :-) - maybe it's not necessary anymore, as I am anyway not too much interested in Klingon, just don't want that site it to have such a mess. andy 11:10, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia collaboration

Thanks for the note at [2] - Regrettably, we still have no regular contributors on "mi" who are fluent Maori speakers. We have fairly new contributors who are native Taiwanese and Galician, but their knowledge of Maori is not even up to my standard yet. One day... - Robin Patterson 20:30, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Tagline for Indonesian Wikipedia

I know this may not be the best place to ask about Indonesian Wikipedia. But how can I put a tagline (like the "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" in English Wikipedia) in the Indonesian Wikipedia? Can you take a look at it please? Thanks! Hayabusa future 00:39, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

See Wikicities:Help:Tagline. You need to edit id:MediaWiki:Tagline and id:MediaWiki:Monobook.css. Angela. 00:45, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

It worked, thanks! Hayabusa future 01:02, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OII

Hi Angela,

Sorry to bother you again, I just want to check Jimbo did get the invitation to talk at the Oxford Internet Institute in the end, and it wasn't buried under a pile of spam. I'd hate for it to fall through cos of an accidentally deleted e-mail. (I posted a message on Jimbo's talk page about this, but he's maybe not quite as organised as you are...)

Thanks, --cfp 16:00, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Old POTD mechanism

Hi Angela,

Do you know how the older version of POTD used to work?.

Today, I came across a couple of users who include

{{msg:pic_of_the_day_{{CURRENTDAYNAME}}}}

on their user page. However Template:Pic of the day Tuesday and similar are stuck on POTDs from last November, because no one has been updating them since the move over the the newer auto-archive version of POTD. However, I noticed that you've edited some of these pages before User:Solitude took over.

I was thinking to replace each of the [Template:Pic of the day Daynames] with a redirect to Template:Pic of the day, but I wasn't sure this would do the trick and it would lead to some double/tripple redirects. There also seems to be a set of MediaWiki:Pic of the day Tuesday, but I have no idea what they are for (interface messages?).

An alternative might be to update each user page linking to the older templates and then delete the POTD-Dayname templates. -- Solipsist 18:43, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think redirects would be better than deleting them. I never followed how the new version of them worked so I might not be the best person to ask about this, but as far as I can tell, redirecting them all to Template:Pic of the day should work. Angela. 10:14, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Angela, I think User:Solitude left sometime around last December (which is a shame), but I spotted your reply on his talk page. My guess is he may have been the last one to know how the previous system worked. Nevertheless I'll take on the tidying up and hope I don't break anything that matters. Most people are using the new mechanism, so the only bit that gives me pause for thought is the MediaWiki link. -- Solipsist 11:38, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fair use and the Spanish version

Spanish version against fair use:
On your last message you asked me whether there was a consensus against fair use images and that I could upload them in other versions.
Yes, it was determined by November 2004 that fair use was no longer available there. Administrators next to several users voted in favor of using free-license images only. But before getting into deep details, let me tell you a little more of my work there and my thoughts:
I started by mid 2003 and thought I could be an integral part at the Spanish version for one big reason: only 2% of Internet content is in Spanish and my topics of interest are mostly unavailable in my mother tong. So I immediately began to write articles about music, I started with Beck and Björk, and as I saw it was too much to write about I decided that I would devote almost entirely to Icelandic music and thus I would complete an entire area of interest. Of course I have other passions: astronomy and geology, next to some economics issues.

Several of my works there are huge, and I’m known for having written the largest articles, where 12 of them were selected as outstanding. As the time passed by I managed to published almost 500 articles of varied quality. But things started to get nasty: first I discovered that some images of the biographies had been deleted because I delayed in justifying their existence, then when I wrote about an article titled “Heavily Indebted Poor Countries” I was accused of discriminating poor countries and that it was unfair that I didn’t mentioned the rich countries that are heavily indebted as well. But the title of my article is correct because it was a definition from the Club of Paris, the IMF the World Bank and other creditor institutions. It is an official term used for countries that have a certain amount of income and their debts go beyond a particular percentage threshold. When I tried to give explanations I was ordered to delete my article, but I refused because of the ignorance about those topics and because of the disrespect embodied in a meaningless argument. I was about to drop out, but chose to go on. Later I found this of the fair use and that really annoyed me. I mean, don’t you think all Wikipedia’s versions should have the same rules? After all Wikipedia’s server is located in the USA and it doesn’t matter where you’re writing from. Everybody could lie and anyway, Internet reaches all the corners of the Earth. For instance, the German version is more restricted, and a German guy told me that some images there are prohibited due to copyright laws, but where is the solution in banning images on the German version if you could get the other versions there? Does the language make a difference?

I complaint about the decision against fair use on my version explaining that I couldn’t vote because I was out but at least I gave some arguments. I got an answer from a virtual foe I have there: he even questioned my attitude of having images at my user page saying that I should create my own Web site. Just imagine this: What could a person like this say about your user page? That is ridiculous. Anyway, I chose to go on again. But once more, things got even nastier: the same foe (an administrator) started to promote the deletion of some articles devoted to Beck’s singles. He said I was trying to create some sort of a “CD catalogue”, then when I gave my explanations and arguments in favor of the existence of those articles, besides telling him that they hadn’t been finished at that time, he answered back arguing that he agreed that some singles could be important, but he found the others “irrelevant”, a word that ruffled my feathers and reacted with a rather sarcastic sense of humor. Then he told me that those articles were “microstubs”. So, I know he’s editing under a biased position, but I’m the only one who seems to see this.

I’m currently working here, because I have more freedom and it is nice to count on people who are always extending a hand to help you out. It is beautiful and strange to explain, but my passion for writing articles has been revived here again. I will translate into English my Spanish articles and span my areas of interest in the future.

I no longer care about the Spanish version: it’s all up to them to make the right decisions. If they are willing to harbor these biased behaviors I don’t think it would be wise to support their attitude with further collaborations. And now everybody there is wondering why the Spanish version has been lagged behind by the English one…. I think you have the answer now. Kind regards, Luis María Benítez 22:29, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
PS: sorry of the big message!!!

About your question if there would be someone to mediate in the argument I have with that user, the answer is no. It doesn't matter really. I'm working here, now where laws are more understandable and where users with biased opinions have no room to stay. Luis María Benítez 05:31, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I Need Your HELP

Hi Angela, On July 8, 2004, I created the article Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez. User:69.157.173.5 moved and redirected the page to Luis Cardinal Aponte Martinez on August 20, 2004 without transfering the edit history. Therefore, half of the edit history is still in the original "REDIRECT" page. Can you please fix that for me? Thank you. Tony the Marine

New admin for wikispecies

Hello Angela, I recently sent a request to the stewards for making en:UtherSRG an admin for Wikispecies - he proposed and was supported a while ago and I can't do it - could you, please? Thank you, Benedikt

Done. Angela.

wikibooks.org disaster

Please just disable the server until you can put a stop to user "Gumba gumba", IP block and all. He's very fast at trashing the main page. He has also trashed at least dozens of other important pages. It'll take some time to clean up the full mess.

BTW, it would be nice if I had the necessary rights to do more than just revert or (faster) blank his crud.

AlbertCahalan 20:23, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

mav had blocked that user before you left this message, Isn't there a vandalism page at Wikibooks where you can report such events? Angela. 10:27, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, there is. b:Wikibooks:Vandalism in progress, which the vandal hit and mav cleaned up. Gentgeen 10:42, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Update from Javier Solana

User:Cumbey here has writen a blog including info about my and User:One Salient Oversight's work here at wikipedia. This may be a case for the arbcom. Jimbo has stated this sort of behaviour will not be accepted. I think she needs blockiong, possibly on a permanent basis. her blog includes a link to here which was on my User page, and partially identifies me, --SqueakBox 16:23, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

I think you should take this to arbitration, though they have no control over what happens off-site. Angela.

A new administrator for Georgian Wikipedia

Dear Angela,

I’m Sopho, one of the two administrators of Georgian Wikipedia. Luckily Georgian Wikipedia is working quite well. During last few months several people started working on it and the contributions are praiseworthy. I think we’re starting to need more administrators. I’d like to suggest Avtandil as a new administrator for Georgian wikipedia. He has been contributing to different Wikipedias (especially, in Esperanto) since 2002. He has elaborated more than 2000 articles. Now he’s working very seriously on Georgian Wikipedia and, in my opinion, he’s perfectly skilled for the position of an administrator. My usual professional activities and circumstances require from me taking “Wikipedia breaks”. One of them is waiting for me very soon and I think it would be useful and reasonable if Avtandil is also able to carry out some actions that right now are beyond his responsibility. Malafaya, the other administrator of Georgian Wikipedia, agrees with this suggestion. Would it be possible to give Avtandil status of an administrator of Georgian Wikipedia? Best regards,

Sopho (Admin of Georgian Wikipedia) 11.04.05.

This is done now. Angela.

Issues about school articles

In November 2003, there was a VfD debate over Sunset High School (Portland). The debate was archived under Talk:Sunset High School (Portland). What to do with the article is still being contested and has been recently re-nominated for VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sunset High School (Portland).

I am writing to you because you have participated in such debates before. There still does not exist a wikipedia policy (as far as i can tell) over what to do in regards to articles about specific U.S. public school. My hope is that a real consensus can come out of the debate, and a real policy can take shape. Take part if you are so willing. Kingturtle 02:29, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think it would be better to work towards a consensus at Wikipedia:School articles needing evaluation than to argue about individual schools. Angela.

Javanese language = Basa Jawa

Dear Angela,

I am an administrator of the Indonesian and the Javanese wikipedia. Here I would like to comment on the spelling of the Javanese language, which is found in the "other languages" (interwiki) box. It is now spelt as Bahasa Jawa while the correct spelling is Basa Jawa. Is it possible for you to mend it or maybe to ask someone to correct it? Many thanks in anticipation! Meursault2004 10:20, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You can request this be fixed at MediaZilla:. Angela.

Thanks, request submitted at MediaZilla. Meursault2004 14:10, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Interlanguage links on user pages

I've noticed that I can place interlanguage links to my user pages on other Wikipedias (e.g., [[es:Usuario:Dcljr]]) on my user page here and the links appear in the in other languages sidebar just like on regular article pages. But I can't find any users who actually use this feature to link to their non-English user pages. Is this sort of thing frowned upon? Wikipedia:Interlanguage links doesn't have anything to say on the matter... - dcljr 06:55, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Of course not. Look at mine Meursault2004 08:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

replied at User talk:Dcljr

Need help

Hi Angela, i need your help. I'm administrator on wikipedia in serbian language. I would like to know how to add Wikipedia:Recentchanges to Special:Recentchanges, lets explain what i mean. When you look at Special:Recentchanges and sr:Посебно:Recentchanges you will see diferent betwen this two pages. At the top of page on English Wiki is one template or something else, source of that is on page Wikipedia:Recentchanges. Ok, now i want to know how to add that to serbian sr:Посебно:Recentchanges. Thank you --Sasa Stefanovic 18:41, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

replied at sr:Разговор са корисником:Саша.Стефановић

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Angela thank you very much, i figure it out late yesterday, yes it's in Mediawiki:Recentchanges, i now make page for top of the Special:Recentchanges, when i finish i would like to see how that will look in serbian wiki. Thank you again --Sasa Stefanovic 10:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ukrainian Wikinews

Angela, hello again. Sorry, but article statistics work unright. Now I can see more than 1000 articles, but only >30 real articles. It's not right. We have more than 30 real articles. Say please to admins about this bug. uk:User:Inetd

Eloquence has just told me he'll look into this. Angela. 02:40, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

As usual, Angela, your efficiency and hard work put my efforts to shame. I'm sorry to have "hit the wall", so to speak, at a time when the Mediation Committee deserved better. Thanks for your work at RFM -- I'll do what I can to assist, but I'm feeling a need to take a break come on, before I lose my patience with some people here. Best wishes as always, and I hope you're enjoying a pleasant Spring, Jwrosenzweig 21:23, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi me again

Hi angela, i make serbian RC now look like in english Wiki. Thank you. But i have another question, how to insert some special characters at the bottom of the edit area. That is a small bar at the botton of every edit area. You can answer me on my talk page here and on serbian wiki. Best regards --Sasa Stefanovic 18:23, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you again. Sasa Stefanovic 18:55, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Namespaces at ka:

Hi there, Angela. At ka:, we currently have this slight "problem". Despite my effort of putting a localized version of LangKa.php at the Developer's Request page, that request has not been attended to date. Currently, we are introducing categories and surely it would be better if we started creating with the correct georgian name instead of english "Category:Whatever". So, my question is, could you work into changing the namespace Category: into georgian name კატეგორია:? We think it's better to start with just one change and evaluate the impact we will be having with other namespace changes as well. Thank you a lot -- Malafaya 00:12, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Done. Note that software-related requests should be directed to our bug tracker at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/. I'm not sure where you were leaving notes but it seems to be someplace that's not well attended. --Brion 01:09, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Brion. :) Angela. 02:59, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

True, Brion. I left the notice at meta:Language files to be updated. I just saw the new notice at the top This page is not used anymore. You must file a bug/feature request at bugzilla (http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/) and attach your patch / new file to the bug itself.. Thanks, that's what I'll do. Cheers, Malafaya 15:02, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your welcome message

Hi Angela. Just ran across a small problem with a user talk: page for a user you welcomed. User talk:AxSkov had each section numbering wrong, which led to clicking on the Edit button bringing up the previous section. I found out that this was on account of the <h2> tag that you had inserted with that welcome message. I don't know whether you have a template for this, but perhaps it would be best if you changed this to a regular == syntax to avoid these problems. Anyway, cheers, Smoddy (_t^g_e^c_k) 11:16, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I didn't actually add that heading [3] but thanks for telling me anyway :) Angela. 01:16, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Heed help again for sr.wiki

Hi Angela, I am Sasa`s colegue from Serbian Wikipedia. Can you tell me, how we can change background on our Wikipedia in blue, just like here, or on Slovenian Wikipedia? Thank you, answer me on sr.wiki. --M. Pokrajac 12:16, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

replied at sr:Разговор са корисником:Покрајац

Editing LocalSettings.php

Hi Angela, I'm QuartierLatin1968, the sysop of kw. I've been trying to edit kw's LocalSettings.php file to tell it to use LanguageKw.php (which I'm the process of translating). But where do I go to find this file? Is it at kw:MediaWiki:something or other? Help! :-) Thanks in advance, QuartierLatin1968 15:43, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

replied at kw:User talk:QuartierLatin1968

HELP

Please unblock me (User:Fish Supper).

"Jayjg" has blocked me claiming I have violated 3RR on Historicity of Jesus, which I haven't edited once!!!.

And if he is talking about Jesus, then he has blocked me without blocking User:Slrubenstein as well, who made 4 more reverts than me!!!, like he is corrupt and biased or something.

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:Fish_Supper. User is also suspected of being a sockpuppet of banned User:CheeseDreams. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:23, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It'd be best to email wikien-l about it rather than asking me. Angela. 01:16, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Help on an edit

Hi Angela, in your previous life you were involved in educational testing. As a member of the Cleanup Taskforce I have been asked to merge Standardized testing and Standardized test. Tbis I have now done, but not knowing anything about the subject, I have no idea about the quality of the text. Knowing how very busy you are I expect I am pushing my luck, but I would appreciate it if you could have a look at the result at Standardized testing. I might add that I have my suspicions that some of the original text might be a copyvio -- see my note on the discussion page about this. Kind regards Apwoolrich 07:59, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Angela, many thanks for your prompt response. Kind regards Apwoolrich 14:51, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fixing syntax

Hey Angela, every time I click a double redirect to fix, I find you've done it first. Great work! Can I just ask you to delete the ones you've done? Cheers Grace Note 06:08, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

They feature in the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Syntax/redirect-target-000.txt Syntax project. I thought you had picked them up from there. Not to worry.Grace Note 06:21, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I've never heard of that. I was just using Special:DoubleRedirects which is an automatically generated list, so I can't delete anything from that. Angela. 06:32, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Dynamic Fonts in Tamil Wikipedia

Hi Angela, I'm one of the sysops for the Tamil Wikipedia. We have to do some small technical changes in the Tamil Wikipedia for the dynamic font enabling (a small change in the PHP Code, uploading of the dynamic font in the Wiki skins directory, etc ). I would need a developer access to the small change, or if anyone of the developers can also do that change it will be fine. Can you please let me know whether it is possible or redirect me to any developers. If you can also do this small change, I'm okay with that ? :) - Santhoshguru 17:14, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the info :) - Santhoshguru 07:36, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Stanley Unwin

Angela, I've just tried to add a 'British comedians' category to Stanley Unwin, but the spam filter has blocked the edit due to the existence of stanleyunwin.com in 'External Links'. (I can't even enter the whole URL here as it too gets blocked!) I wouldn't have thought a website concerning this British comedian be considered as spam? -TonyW 22:10, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Temporary admin on nowiki

Hi Angela!

Thank you for the temporary adminship. I will give you a note when the election is over. Probably around may 13th, unless it ties. -- Wegge 10:02, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Angela! The election on nowiki went fine, so you can desysop no:User:Wegge and no:User:Malene again. Thank you for your help. -- Wegge 12:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

This is now done. Angela. 16:38, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

Georgian (Ka) Wiktionary

Hi, Angela. In order to start putting things all together in the (new) Georgian Wiktionary (ka) for a kick start, I'd like to request adminship for the site. Thanks for all the help in putting Ka up and working thus far. The Georgian Wikipedia is being a success. Cheers, Malafaya 22:14, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Angela. It seems there is a "slight" problem. We recently asked for namespace names change at Ka Wikipedia. Apparently, these namespaces are being the same for Wiktionary, meaning the Project namespace is called Wikipedia (in georgian) instead of an equivalent to Wiktionary. I'm deducing that if I ask to change to Wiktionary, also Wikipedia will have its namespace called Wiktionary. How can I change the namespaces names for Wiktionary alone without affecting Wikipedia? Regards, Malafaya 12:53, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Spam Protection Filter

Hi Angela,

Is an external link to a political party's website, from an article about a politician from that party, supposed to be blocked by the spam protection filter? I've been editing the article Epeli Ganilau (a Fijian politician), which has a link to his party's website, which I uploaded some time ago without any trouble. I've just updated the article - or rather, tried to. I get this message saying that the the amended article cannot be saved, because of the external link. Can you do something about it? Sorry to bother you. David Cannon 12:38, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Angela. David Cannon 22:07, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

allentitlesinns0.gz

Hi Angela,

I was just trying to track down the latest version of "allentitlesinns0.gz", but it seems like the URL you point to has been replaced - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Database_download#Titles_only_download

If you could help me out I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks

This is now moved to all_titles_in_ns0.gz which is linked to from download.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/. Angela. 04:14, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

Statistics

Thanks for your answer about redirects and number of articles at the Help desk, Angela. Can you put the info provided (about redirects) in the special page:statistics? Thanks. --Eleassar777 10:31, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

I've added it to MediaWiki:Sitestatstext. Angela. 10:34, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

Kosovo vandalism

Gi Angela. I`m wrighting to you because there is a vandalism on Kosovo article. That must be breaked. Please see my discussion whit vandal. Best regards, --M. Pokrajac 12:11, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Angela, thank you for help me. We, from sr. Wikipedia, should take care about that rules in future. --M. Pokrajac 17:57, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Breach of GNU

Hi. There is a wiki that is breaking the GNU on this page. I have been trying to get them to put the GNU Licence on the bottom, but so far they have been unhelpful, and I have been accused of threatening the site. The only person who is active on the site is Maisy. There is a wealth of material that is copyrighted on the site, which probably doesn't have permission to be there, but that is the only page that appears to be from Wikipedia. --Hierarchypedia 15:04, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

I get SQL error: Table 'elitewiki.cur' doesn't exist when I try to access that site. Have you tried sending them a Standard GFDL violation letter? Angela. 15:31, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

No. I didn't try sending that letter. If that wiki comes back online I will inform you, and would be greatfull if you or another administrator could send it, as they weren't listening to me. --Hierarchypedia 19:52, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

The Wiki seems to be active again Brookie:The grass on the hill 19:32, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

The content has been removed. See global-elite:Talk:Javier_Solana. Angela. 16:38, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

content labeling proposal

Hi - I don't know if you noticed the discussion that started on the village pump technical page about content labeling. I've moved it to its own page, wikipedia:content labeling proposal. Can you or someone else associated with the board comment on this issue? I'm trying to get to someone who might know if there really is a problem. Thanks. -- Rick Block 16:55, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. The pointer to the mailing discussion on this topic is very helpful. -- Rick Block 22:28, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Possible problem user

My attention was drawn to the activities of new user Spastika. I have left a note on their talk page: never having done this kind of thing before, what should be my next move? Do you think my tone was OK? --Phil | Talk 09:33, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

Wiktionary Admins

Thanks for taking care of the English Wiktionary Admin issues. Kevin Rector (talk) 13:40, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

mg wikibooks

Hi Angela.

As you requested I registered in wikibooks of Malagasy Language. Thanks for giving me the adminship there too. Thanks Hery talk ~~

Thanks angela. Maybe it's not here that I should ask but I will. To make translations of the messages, do I need to edit 3 times for wikibooks, wikipedia and wiktionary? Thanks.

Replied at mg:User talk:Hery. Angela. 16:56, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

Is "conspiracy theory" NPOV enough for a title?

Hello Angela, if you have the time I'd appreciate any insight you could offer us on the debate on the appropriateness of "conspiracy theory" in an article's title. See Wikipedia:Conspiracy theory and Wikipedia talk:Conspiracy theory for a discussion. zen master T 00:23, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Wiquisource en español

Hi, I have a question. . In the Main page of wikiquote:es there are some words that it hasn´t trasladated to spanish. Example, in the slidebar left the text: navigate, comunity portal, How do I can to change it? Thanks. Gabriel francisco 05:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC). Y disculpa, no sabo nonada de inglés.

tanks! y disculpa, no me había dado cuenta ya desbloqueé la página de discución del portal. Gabriel francisco

Wanted pages update

Hi, Angela. I'm wondering when are the Special:Wantedpages updated. At Wiktionary Pt we have a very outdated version of this page and it's kind of useless like this as it's hard to pinpoint which pages are acutally missing. Is there a way to change the refresh rate of this page? Thanks, Malafaya 16:13, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Help with a newcomer please

Angela, knowing you dedication to wikiquette and things, I'd like you to help to resolve an ugly case of newcomer biting, in which unfortunately I took part.

It is about user:Jeremy Broun (contributed Jeremy Broun, A History of Designer Makers and Furniture Today, all being at VfD now). It is clearly a knowledgeable guy in an underrepresented area of furniture making. I've sent him an apologizing e-mail, and fortunately he responded.

Please help to provide him with some helpful hints beyound the standard {welcome} message. Or readdress to someone who can handle this gracefully. Unfortunately I feel my skills will be limited. E-mails attached. Thanks, Mikkalai 21:01, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I'll respond to the email (which I've removed from this page for privacy reasons). Angela. 18:13, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

Serial comma

Hello. In the past, I think you've spoken in favor of having guidelines on the serial comma in the WP Manual of Style. Currently, a few users have been taking out all guidance on that, replacing it with a statement that the MoS takes no position. They've said they reached a consensus on the talk page. Would you care to comment there? Jonathunder 22:12, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

It doesn't look like consensus yet. I'd recommend advertising this at a more neutral place like Wikipedia:Goings-on or RfC rather than just the talk pages of people you think would support your own view. Angela. 23:27, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

Bot flags and patrolled edits in Low Saxon Wikipedia

Hi Angela,

after some search I was told that you as a steward might be the right one to ask. I am one of the admins of the Low Saxon Wikipedia nds: and there is a setting that I do not know how to set: we would like to use patrolled edits. How can we do that?

Kind regards,

Heiko Evermann 18:36, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

oc.wikipedia

Hello Angela. Thanks for your answer and for adminship. Please, can you give permanent adminship ? I'm bureaucrat in sr.wiki and admin in sr.wikt. I wish to contribute to the development of little community like "Oiquipedià" (as possible as I can !). I'm serbian and I live in Bergerac !!! You're welcome if you come round for a week-end ! Merci et à bientôt ! --Gorann Andjelkovic 20:32, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Edit war in the making

Hi Angela, I fear there is an edit war in the making at Dictionary of National Biography with user:WB2 being difficult. He is very POV over the quality of the dictionary. I don't want to get into a time-wasting spat with the guy but user:Matthew Kilburn (a ODNB staff editor) and I have been reasonable, I think. Any comments on what we have done so far and how it might be handled, please? Kind regards Apwoolrich 07:28, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Angela, thank you for your message. Yes I was aware of these as he is on my watchlist. See also that editor's Edward Davy for a very POV article. There are also edits on pages from before he signed up properly which I am suspicious of. I feel this guy could, with some proper training be a good editor, since seems to be an avid researcher. The problem is going to be to direct him to the Wikiway, if he will not take advice. I don't know enough about the topics he writing about to make edits of them. Its just the POV language of it all. Kind regards Apwoolrich 18:53, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Re: Welcome back

Thanks for the message though, to be honest, I'm not intending on participating to the same level as I was before I left so hopefully the wikistress can be kept well at bay. How did the last meet-up go? -- Francs2000 | Talk [[]] 00:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

The meetup was good. There were about 18 people there, and the initial discussions about a UK chapter started. Angela. 16:38, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

disrupting wikipedia policy vote

You voted once for the policy at Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. Despite a 75% support that vote was rejected by the minority. A new vote has been called with a two week limit at Wikipedia talk:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. Please take a moment to participate. Thanks. - Tεxτurε 16:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. Angela.

RFC on Daniel C. Boyer

I noticed from the last deletion debate about his eponymous article that you had participated and were presumably familiar with at least some of his self-promotional efforts. These have continued to the present in some less overt and I believe more deceptive ways, particularly through the use of two anonymous IPs to reinsert his name into articles and on requested articles (which he has denied, rather implausibly based on the contribution histories of those IPs). Particularly because you're one of the most experienced Wikipedians around, I would appreciate it if you would take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Daniel C. Boyer, and let me know if there is anything I can do to better clarify things or have anything to add yourself, or if you believe I've properly assembled and construed the evidence. Thanks! Postdlf 23:44, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Anything you can do to help me trim the fat, so to speak, on the RFC would be appreciated, though I think the older stuff is necessary to show context for the present behavior. He's continued to turn this into a farce, btw, by trying to start an RFC on me because he claims references to his inclusion of his sister's name constitute a separate dispute from his self-promotion, as if writing about family members is somehow not included in Wikipedia:Vanity page, but I already explained to him the main reason was to tie his username edits to the edits of one anonymous IP.[4] I've spent far too much time on this mess as it is (though I'm glad I managed to document the bulk of his problematic edits in one place), so I would appreciate it if you or anyone else interested in reining him in could lend a hand. Postdlf 20:41, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Your user page

Hi Angela. I just noticed your new-look user page, and wanted to compliment you on it. You've always been the trendsetter for swish user pages. - Mark 09:46, 16 May 2005 (UTC) (edit: I just noticed I'm 4 months late. Meh. - Mark 09:52, 16 May 2005 (UTC))

Thanks :) Angela. 13:25, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Wikisource: Thanks and apology

Hi Angela. It looks like the Wikisource issues have been solved for good.

Since it is now all over, I decided I should apologize to two specific people whom I am aware I drove crazy while the whole argument was going on, namely: you and Tim Starling.

I do apologize for bothering you overly much about this at the time. In the end, it turns out you were right anyways: Despite my view that the board can (and probably should) take action on basic policy issues, including multilingualism, you were nevertheless right to be very hesitant about interfering in the case of a project that had already been up and running for quite a long time.

Keep up the good work! Dovi 12:44, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

There's no need to apologise at all. I'm glad the issue is finally settled, or will be when MediaWiki 1.5 is released anyway. Angela. 13:25, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Le Iceberg

Angela,

I've been working on an image that looks like it could be the great grandfather of your Iceberg. I really like the detail you have below the water. I wonder if you could share with me the image (I won't copy it) and tell me a little about how you did the changes to the underwater part? Who knows? You may indeed be a graphic artist!

jpattoncook@comcast.net

What iceberg? I've never made an image of an iceberg, so I really can't help. Sorry. Angela. 05:36, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Does he perhaps mean the Wikisource picture? Brookie:the wind in the grass 06:51, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

The Wikisource logo was made by Brion based on this image by Kils. Angela. 13:48, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Ding Dong!

Hey Angela: Aloha! Hola! Hi! Bon Jour! Uh La La! lol....I havent spoken tp you in a long time!

I wanted to ask you, someone told me that either you or Theresa are the ones to bring promotional ideas to. Being Spice Boy, I have a lot of fashionable as well as practical items on mind that we can sell for wikipedia's promotion. By the way, I'd love being in the Spice Girls, which in that case would have been called The Spices instead as me being Spice Boy, well...LOL not only do I love dressing like a woman but I think each of them is HOT and I have their temperament (when not provocked into arguing, that is!)

So tell me, is it you or Theresa that I have to take my ideas to?

BTW I have given you a barnstar. I saw everything you do on your user page and out of my heart I gave it to you because you deserve it.

Sincerely yours, Antonio Red Lips Martin

In terms of selling promotional items, you might want to talk to Eloquence since he's responsible for the cafepress shop. Angela

Google hosting

Hello, I, like many people are interested what happened to m:Google hosting. I know you wrote you don't know on the talk page, but could you please find out? I can't imagine who else could know better than members of the Board :| Helix84 08:08, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Basically, nothing is happening at the moment, so there's no update that I can make to that page. Angela

Well, but why? Didn't they contact you, or you weren't interested? Don't we need just that -- hosting and bandwidth? Then why do we do fundraising? File:Helix84.jpg helix84 00:42, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

They did contact us and we are interested, but nothing has progressed yet. Officially we "still in discussion with them". You may get more of a response from Jimbo since he was the person primarily dealing with this. Angela. 05:30, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

I've updated the page, but it still doesn't tell you a lot other than why things aren't moving right now. Angela. 19:11, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

Kentucky Derby

I did do the nomination. Patricknoddy 18:24 May 18, 2005 (EDT)

I need help!

Hello I found your name among the names of administrators. i don't know why I intend to share the problem but I feel you can give a a hand to me.

A few days ago I joined wikipedia and started to make some scientific pages about the field I am expert it, which is loop quantum gravity. I made a few pages but after a few days I saw that some people have placed a VfD above it to vote about one of my articles. I was fine at all. there where some positive votes and some negative one. But after a while I realized that three users/admisn started to delet some positive votes, attacked to the point of others by calling them ignorant. I did not know what to do so I found vandalism in progress page and complained there. At that they they threated me to delet the page if I place another report about it in there and placed a vandal protection above the article and VfD, it which was directing people to the discussion page of the article and the sentence was something like this: the content of the pages is protected until the discussion in here (the link to the discussion page of the page -and not to the vote page) is in progree. people were discussion in there about the article but after 8 hours, the article by one of their friends was deleted. I complained in adalism and they again deleted the complain and finally blocked me for 1 day. i don't know what was wrong me. I do not have enough encouragement to write another article for wikipedia. Please read the discussion in here [5] and the vote page and tell me how can i overcome the networking?

Many thanks [User:hamidifar]

Have you considered asking for mediation? Angela

Wikipedia:Sock puppet/Proposal

Hi there! I've reworded this a bit per everyone's comment, and would like to get support to make this a guideline and allow it to be used. Could you please indicate if you agree? Per your concern, I've reworded it a bit; any user can make the request (I mean, it's not like we can stop them) but it's left to the discretion of the verifiers (which presently consist of two people, one is ArbCom and the other is a Developer) if they grant the request. To prevent abuse. If this isn't clear, please reword. Thanks, Radiant_* 12:31, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

I still don't see why the decision to check a sockpuppet can't be made by the arbcom, rather than only by David or Tim. Angela

Hi from Nick Boulevard 00:18, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Angela,

Don't worry if you don't have time but Andy Mabbet has returned with avengance (children cower in fear) he has systematically scoured my work and listed a few pages as copyright control after many edits from others also, I have admited my crime and removed the offending "stuff" apart from Birmingham military history and Gun Quarter where by I emailed http://www.virtualbrum.co.uk and the webmaster made a favourable comment, I really don't want to lose the pages with their google p.r., all I ask is that you see that fairness rules as I still am a part time wikipedian, even if I have to re-write the entire pages. Thanks Mrs Busy. :) Nick Boulevard 00:18, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

If they're copyright violations, he's right to list them for deletion. Is there any content prior to the violation that could be kept? Angela

Erm, well I compiled the articles offline but because they were so extensive (trying to complete in short time) I ended up copying and posting a few short sentences, I jope this will not effect my whole article, I mean well for Wiki and Brum, I have re-written some. ThanksNick Boulevard 00:29, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

p.s. there is an annonymous user on the Brum page I believe to be Andy Mabbett? he has deleted loads of text without good reason or discussion IMO and when I revealed the vadalism the annonymous user even deleted the text on the brum talk page, don't worry if you have other things to deal with, I've flagged it up with G-man and Kim Brunning as well, hope your well anyway. :) Nick Boulevard 18:05, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

A comment as one who has been peripherally involved in this (and I hope achieved an amicable edit with Nick on some Birmingham topics): I think a deal of this is about misunderstandings, and perhaps Nick might take explanation of the spirit of Wikipedia better from you than from users who have been in conflict.

1) Copyright. I certainly don't condone a certain other user's specific pursuit of Nick's articles, but the copyvio flags were accurate in my view. The thing to remember always is that recent works are in copyright by default, and that permission has to be verified all the way up from the original creator. Maybe Nick has been misinformed somewhere along the line about how copyright works?

2) Neutrality. A central clash of attitudes across many articles is about Nick's work on Birmingham having a promotional tone. Other people see the content he writes - which most certainly is generally good in terms of factual content - as having a relentless "gee-whiz-isn't-Brum-wonderful" spin, full of peacock terms, and so they edit toward Neutral point of view. He, however, sees this response as being anti-Birmingham vandalism.

Best guess at the main issues. RayGirvan 19:43, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Well Ray, I actually understand copyright better than you may ever imagine, I am definately pro Birmingham but in an honest way IMO, if this gets up certain peoples noses I can't really apologise, by the way thanks Angela for reply Nick Boulevard 23:43, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Don't patronise me, Nick. I'm a professional journalist. If you understood copyright you wouldn't have breached it wholesale or thought it sufficient to get permission from someone in no position to grant it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being pro-Birmingham. It is just not appropriate to let it bias your Wikipedia work away from NPOV. RayGirvan 03:33, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Nick, if you haven't already seen it, you might find the NPOV tutorial useful. Following that might help to avoid some of the criticism you've been receiving. Angela. 07:35, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Angela. This feud is poisoning the whole atmosphere of Birmingham-related articles. Whoever started it (and I can't untangle the origin), it'd be helped by both sides sticking to Wikipedia practices such as citing sources and documenting via edit summaries. I think another important point - and this comment also isn't directed at Nick alone - is to edit courteously and specifically. If disputing an individual sentence, it causes bad feeling all round to simply revert to several versions back, erasing edits by other editors on unrelated points. RayGirvan 17:49, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"This feud is poisoning the whole atmosphere of Birmingham-related articles. Whoever started it (and I can't untangle the origin)" ~ in all honesty the fact that you are saying this shows me personally that you are not used to to a debate where both sides are allowed to have their say evenly and I would also ask you... how much of Birmingham related articles have you created/contributed to? It is intesresting to note that you arrived in the Brummie discussion at the same time as one Andy Mabbett who was also (as he claimed, an editor of pudding magazine etc.)

"it causes bad feeling all round to simply revert to several versions back, erasing edits by other editors on unrelated points." ~ mmm, think how annoying it is when you carry out weeks of research on a subject to ensure it is correct and then create an article only to find it deleted just because someone doesn't like it, I can assure you that copyright is part of the internet, it is also part of education, I have absorbed thousands of words from all matter of subjects on the internet and books and T.V. and education and I could quite easily re-write much of it in a similar form, how do you think that innovation works... the internet is a tool for education, a prime example is an article I took from Virtualbrum, after contacting the owner he admited the text was taken from a plaque on a wall, where did that come from, a bloke in a museum that probably took it from a book that he read, about a family in the Gun Quarter that was written by a guy that lived in the same street that gathered the information from people he knew and a quick shifty through the city library archives.

"Don't patronise me, Nick. I'm a professional journalist. If you understood copyright you wouldn't have breached it wholesale or thought it sufficient to get permission from someone in no position to grant it." ~ Ray, so am I a professional journalist. So is my dad, and the gnome that sits in my garden. You have obviously been following my footsteps here as you have commented on the Virtualbrum comment.

Please revert to the appropriate page as I feel guilty that I ever asked Angela for her advice here, sorry Angela. This is all silly nonsenese about daft issues, I will refer back to my own talk page etc :).

shakes head in disbelief... I have this gut feeling that after being banned for a short time Andy Mabbet has returned as several people?, I can tell this from his dedication at editing many mainly Brum topics in a... Andy Mabbet way, which is uncanny to an anonymous user and pigs on the wing and Andy Norman and Ray Girvan? I hope I am wrong. Nick Boulevard 00:25, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nick: I'm not arguing with you. All this unpleasantness would disappear (even the feud with Andy Mabbett) if you took care to avoid copyright violation and followed Wikipedia conventions such as Cite sources, NPOV, Wikipedia:Verifiability. RayGirvan 02:09, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nick: I'm not arguing with you. ~ No your not arguing with me, an argument is a two way business and you obviously have the same arrogance as Andy Mabbett whereby you do not bother to read what I have written, I will say it again. Please revert to the appropriate page as I feel guilty that I ever asked Angela for her advice here. Thankyou Ray. Nick Boulevard 11:33, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Question

Is there any way you can assign your edits under an IP address to your username if it accidentally logged you out while you made them? I would like this done for my IP address which is 81.156.177.151 if possible. -Ril- 12:01, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Not any more, no. There used to be at Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit, but the service is currently suspended. Angela

collaborations on community portals

In the Hungarian Wikipedia, we began projects. The hungarian version of Wikimedia Collaboration of the Week is this, we are smaller group, so our term is one month. I made link for our projects from our Community portal, so your wish (2005. aprilis 3., 22:27) become true :-D. -- Hu:User:Rodrigo 2005. may 22.

Hi Angela, there has been a misunderstanding. The page linked above is the Hungarian version of the English Wikipedia:COTW and has nothing to do with mediawiki or cross-project collaboration, as described in m:Wikimedia_COTW. Sorry for the confusion. nyenyec ☎ 14:17, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for explaining. Angela. 21:34, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Cosima.jpg

How do you do. I'm Qbay in Japan. I found your photograph of 'cosima.jpg'. Would you upload the photograph to Wikimedia Commons? It is also useful for Wikipedia in other languages. Please make your consideration. --QBay 05:40, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Done. Angela. 06:11, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! --QBay 06:59, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Adminship in ka.wikipedia

Hi Angela. I would like to request adminship in the Georgian Wikipedia (ka). The Georgian Wikipedia is quickly growing up now. But recently some vandalisms and spams are observed occasionally. There are so few people working to pay enough attention to them as well as to other things generally. Regards. -- Island 11:13, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Angela, I adviced Island to request adminship to you. Currently, there are no stewards at ka: and therefore we cannot upgrade any user. Island is a very active user at the Georgian Wikipedia and I strongly support his request. --Malafaya 17:42, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Angela, Thank you very much!!! -- Island 10:41, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

edit on de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/25. Mai 2005#Plauener?!

Haie Angela,

under an IP-adress your name was used on this page for this edit. Could you please confirm that it was you who made this edit? thx ...Sicherlich ^talk 11:23, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

someone used your name without meaning it --> matter solved ...Sicherlich ^talk 13:10, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

okay .... i thought you do as your user page on de is in excellenz german and you live in Berlin ;) ...Sicherlich ^talk 20:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I Have A Question

Hola Angela,

The following request for an interview appeared in my talk page: [6]. I would like your advice if it would be proper to do so. I highly respect your opinion. Tony the Marine

Houston, we have a problem :D

Ok, maybe it's not the right way for doing so. First of all, presentation: I'm Gatto Nero, user of the Italian Wikipedia. Second of all: sorry for my awful english, i will try to make me understand. And now, let's go with the explanation.

'cause some users - i'm one of them - are launching a project for helping local wikis connected to the italian one (sicilian, sardinian, friulian...), we started to "have a connection" with this local realities, and we began to note some problems. I'm writing to you for one of these. I paste here a text we were preparring to explain our problem. I would have had time to refine it, but now I suuggest we should hurry up a bit :D

"While helping in Wikipedia:Babel for some templates and declaring I was Sardinian, some other it.wiki users suggested me to have a look to sc.wiki. I entered it and logged in on May 17th and I started translating some articles. After a short time, I realised that another (anonymous) user had rollbacked the paged to a previous version, telling me, in English, not to intervene only to change the dialect but to only use SUL (Sardinian unified language). Since I'm not a linguist, I had a look to the suggested website and I noticed it is a study carried on in Nuoro province by an academic and his co-workers. This (not yet completed) study follows on a 2001 proposal by a commission of experts on behalf of Region Sardinia. The proposal has never been ratified. Some of the components of the commission have moved away from the results. Some other professors and co-workers are carrying on a SUL project in different regions (with different pronounciation as well). Some reference websites: Campidanese-Barbaricino [[7]], Campidanese [[8]], Campidanese-Cagliaritano [[9]], Logudorese [[10]], finally Barbaricino-Logudorese "imposed" by the anonymous user [inoghe|SUL]). This is to show that I took really seriously what was indicated to me and I investigated deeply. I investigated on the past evolution of sc.wiki too and I noticed that other attempts to modify the main page have been frustrated by the same user in the same way. In the meantime I started a discussion page-village pump, to discuss about the language with all users. No one but the anonymous user showed up. Since the first discussions I noticed that this user is neither Italian nor Sardinian (all Sardinians speak Italian). I got no answer on the means he uses to edit articles in Sardinian (I made clear my background, both in terms of Sardinian and vocabulary used). Up to now he hasn't given either an opinion or a proposal but: "We use SUL Sardinian". But he isn't able to indicate me a SUL dictionary! I have advanced, IMHO, a more democratic and appealing proposal, even for (potential) new users. No answer. Tonight 24th May, without any consultation, this user has completely modified the main page and a new user showed up to help him. I'd like an opinion on the matter, on my behaviour in the past and in the future.. The fact a user is not Sardinian is meaningless, but as I don't feel authorised to impose my POV, he shouldn't as well (IMHO). The discussions can be seen on sc:Wikipedia:Zilleri. user:Temugin73

Temugin is an active user of the sardinian wiki. (quite the only active user, i think, but this is n-NPOV). Why are we writing to you? Cause one of these two anonimous users has become User:M64, that you nominated admin for sc.wiki. Now we - I, at least - are a little bit worried about this: i don't think he's adapt for being an admin...

(Oh, this sounds not like I wanted to. If you've question, doubts, whatever... write me. Possibly on my italian discussion page it:Discussioni utente:Gatto Nero - Gatto Nero 11:55, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Angela, thanks for the answer :D

I knew this situation could have been really confusing... 'cause at the beginning i was confused too. I'll try to make things clearer:

1. "Sides":
   1. user:Temugin73 He was a quite brand new it.wiki user, but he works hard. Cause he's from sardinia, some user suggested him to help with sc.wiki, that's why he started work on it.
   2. Some "ip-users" (i think two)... one of them shoud have been become user:M64. They're really push on the Unified Sardinian Language (USL/LSU). Really: they change the spelling of every page to make it use the ULS. They make it without a discussion, just change. I think that - in a complicated situation like this - this way of acting is not so wiki-style

I object to what you have said here. I have acted only in a most polite way, and when Temu requests that I don't change his orthography any more I stopped. The portrayal that I am crazy antiwiki forcing LSU on people is strange, I think LSU is the best idea but if it is ddecided democratally to use a non-LSU I will be disapppointed but will not hurt the dicision. (m64)

1. LSU problem:
   • LSU is just a convention... a study that some professor made over the sardinian dialects. The problem is the Unified Sardinian Language... is not so unified. No-one except these doctors use it. The team that was working over USL splitted in more team, everyone working on a different version. There no USL-dictionary to be used by other users. How could other wiki-users write in a language they don't know?

This is incorrect. The LSU is not a study. It is a set of regulations, which you can find in Sardinian, Italian, and English (I don't know if you can find the English version online, but the Sardinian and Italian versions you can). I am a native Sard speaker and I have checked. This orthography is the official in the province of Nuoro, which is 1 of the 4 old provinces of Sardinia (now there have been 4 new provinces added recently, so that complicates things a bit). This LSU is not developped just by this one professor but by a team of experts, including famous Sardinian language-experts like R Bolognesi and E Blasco Ferrer. It does not have strict guide (tell how to spell a specific word) but instead general rules (how to spell a specific sound), so a dictionary will not be nessecary. I am not sure these people have even read the pages of LSU because it makes so clear all that I have said before. It is taught in the schools in Nuoro as well, and used for the official doccument . It is true that it is not used by a large portion of population, but it is the only one existing standard for Sard. "unified" means dialect-neutrality, not that all people use it. And remember as I had said before, even though I think its best to use it, I will not try to force it. (m64)

1. Some notes:
   1. Cause sardinian is splitted on 4 dialects (they are not so much), i started working on a template which will indicate in which dialect a page is written in. This template will give the possibility to new users to write the same page in one of the other dialects.

The 4 dialects of Sardinian are splitted huge, so that one cannot always understand the other. I think it will confuse us all too much. (m64)

1. 1. Temugin suggested - and this is really wiki-love, i think (n-NPOV) - to use USL only on comunitary page, and let users use the dialect they want on articles page.
   2. A study on a unified sardinian language could will be made once sardinian community will grow up. With only three users it's impossible.
   3. I'm on Temugin's side (but i think this could be easily understandable :D)

Why I think M64 should not be admin? For all these reason: an admin should talk about an action BEFORE making this action. An admin should try to amalgamate different vision to make born a "community version". And i think that M64 is too much involved in USL studies (but it's my sixth sense... really n-Npov suggestion).

For all this reason, I'd prefer if sc.wiki have to have an admin for now - Temugin as admin. But now i think there must be only a temporary admin...

--Gatto Nero 12:53, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

ps: I forgot! M64 seems not able to speak in italian, not in a specific sardinian dialect too. Yes, sardinian is not a dialect of italian, but we are deeply culturally, historically and geografically linked, so it's strange that someone is not able to talk in italian...

He has confused me with this other anonymous user who says he speaks English only. I used Italian in discussion a lot here. (m64)

If I may chime into this discussion: I'm not a user of the sardinian Wikipedia either, but I partecipate in the project of the italian Wikipedia to support our "little sisters" (sc.wiki, fur.wiki and so on). In my opinion it is important that some "outsiders" of sc.wiki but with good Wikipedia experience take part in this discussion. Beeing maybe only 3 active users in total, it is no way representative that 2 users are in favor of "USL" and 1 is not. We need some people who will consider carefully the arguments of both sides and take part in the decision on how this project can be run. (I can help translating between italian/english; should we contact wikipedia-l about this?) I think that as long as this basic decision has not been taken, the project should be stopped and could even do without an admin. Once the decision has been taken, all those who have taken part in the discussion should decide on a new sysop whom they trust to stick to the decision taken. --Leonard Vertighel 13:11, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Forgot: the italian project I mentioned is here: it:Wikipedia:Progetto Wikifratellanza. You can contact us in english on the talk page, if you want. And here once more the link to the sardinian "village pump": sc:Wikipedia:Zilleri --Leonard Vertighel 13:21, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree to Leonard. It needs more discussion. (m64)

I've reversed my admining of M64 for now. I think it would be best to discuss the dispute on the mailing list, either Wikipedia-l or WikiIt-l and for the community to decide which users they want as admins there. Angela. 13:28, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

Also I do not mind the dis-admining. But I do not appreciate this non-Sardinian assuming expert on Sard language politics and attacking against me, remember Gatto Nero says he is not Sardinian. He has a lot of untruths and misconceptions. It upsetts me to portray in such a distorted way as a non-human or who is anti-wiki. (m64)

I see now this discussion. Finally, if anyone want to see the real situation, can go to [11]. With patience (last 500)... And see the time of user contribuitions also.. I don't speak english, but i understand. In the Zilleri NOW finally have a discussion and not a "wall to wall". Now i know the reason. Good! Let'start to work (maybe). :-D --Temu (Pian pianino) 13:28, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Noobcake

Hey Angela, Just saw you change Noobcake to a redirect. I was about to list it for speedy since the person adding the tag apparently neglected to do so. I also listed Mryano as a possible vandalism-in-progress, though I noted that it's likely he's just a new user experimenting. (I also left a welcome on his page.) Since you edited it, I won't list it. Just thought I'd bring you up to date.--MikeJ9919 04:58, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

I'd already deleted noobcake earlier, but since he kept recreating it, I decided to redirect it since people are generally less likely to overwrite a redirect than to recreate a deleted article. I have no objection to it being deleted though. If you add a {{delete}} tag, you don't actually need to list it anywhere, since it will automatically be in category:candidates for speedy deletion. Angela. 05:03, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

Requesting help fixing cut-and-paste moves

Excuse me, but you seem like a competent administrator. Some time in the past I performed "manual" moves before I became properly aware of the faux pas of doing so. Perhaps you can perform the delicate task of fixing the history of them in your capacity.

• Talk:Social Democrat and Talk:Social democracy
• Social democracy and Social Democrat
• Soyuz programme and Soyuz program (was later manually moved back by Dingo99)
• Talk:Soyuz programme and Talk:Soyuz program

Thank you. -- Dissident (Talk) 21:55, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok, this is done now. The database is lagging slightly though, so I can't tell for sure whether it worked properly. Let me know if you think it didn't. Angela.

Languagega.php

Hey Angela. Thanks for making me an admin, it's a great bonus to be able to fix all those nigglying grammar mistakes. Just one question, to change the interface, all I do is edit m:LanguageGa.php? Or do I need to download something/do something more tricky? Also, what's the story now with beaurocrats, I take it I'm not one, will I tell other admin-hopefuls to go to the requests for permission site? Thanks again - Dalta 14:26, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

That's great, thanks Angela. Our community only really has about 5-10 active members, but I'll organise a vote on who to be beaurocrat. Go raibh míle maith agat - Thanks a million. - Dalta 15:20, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

You and Jni are welcome to discontinue editing my user talk page. Thanks.

You're welcome to stop insulting people too. See WP:RPA. Angela. 16:39, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

My anger over his edits was justified. By editing my user talk page (which has a personal association to me) he was attributing - or not attributing - speech to myself which I did not approve of. Whether or not my warning was allowable by wikipedia standards of conduct is irrelevant. I have not at any point waved my ability to control speech attributed to me (nor is that lawful) neither by virtue of public domain or by verbal contract nor have I waved my access to seek legal remifications should any sort of backlash (not that I expect it should) as a result of those comments attributed to me occur - regardless of wikipedia's bylaws which appear to ban the threat of legal sanction. - A clear violation of the right to habeas corpus in the United States. The law extends beyond the codes of an irrelevant encyclopedia.

Besides, by formally taking control of this IP address I am excluding the further "contributions" of former users who appear to have: 1. Created an imaginary country and 2. Vandalized various wikimedia articles. In short, I might be a mean nasty, irritable law school student with too much caffeine and too little sleep - but at least I am preventing further vandalism.

And all I expect in return is that I have the full, unabated control over everything that is said under my IP number - which is a right garunteed to me.

You have a nice day.

Forgive me for eavesdroping. Some points:

• You do not have a user talk page. If you want one, you have to become a user first. Try clicking the "login" link somewhere at the top-right corner of every page. Indeed, if "someone else" is using your IP address, then it isn't really "yours", is it? How, exactly, are you going to "formally take control" of an IP address that others are also using?
• Your understanding of law with regard to public access websites is somewhat faulty. habeas corpus doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.

You have a nice day as well. func(talk) 17:09, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Func. It is absolutely not possible to have control over everything that is said under your IP number, or over comments made to users of that IP, when you that is not even a static IP. Angela. 17:39, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Urgent help needed

Hi Angela, don't know where to ask. My password for the account of the same name on Tamil wikipedia has been cracked and the e-mail address is also probably changed. I'm not able to access it. Before the password for this account is also changed, do something about it. There are several evidences linking this user id in en wikipedia with that. Also it has been linked to my e-mail id (sundarbecse in yahoo domain), since I've e-mailed User:Ravidreams on both the Tamil wiki and the English wiki. Also, since I'm an admin there (and also here) it needs to be blocked immediately before any damage is done. -- Sundar (talk • contribs) 05:01, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Issue resolved. Thanks. -- 06:01, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Wikijunior name vote

m:Wikijunior project name Voting will end June 6, 2005 at 11:30 am EST. -- user:Zanimum

Houston, no problem now.

Dear Angela, after long discussions I have finally been reassured that sc.wikipedia will be a team work (including new users, of course). I have no objections for anyone with sufficient technical skills to become an administrator with full powers (M64 included). Thanks again for allowing us to talk. At the same time, I would like to candidate myself as administrator for the Ditzionariu. As for the sc.wiktionary, I'd rather wait until Sunday midnight in case someone may object and vote against me. Really thanks again.--Temu (Pian pianino) 13:12, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Just leave a note at m:requests for permissions when a decision has been made on who should be an admin there. Angela.

Re: GA Admins

My apologies, I didn't know we had a bureaucrat, but the issue I raised still stands. There have been many requests for adminship that he hasn't listened to. There are plenty of grammar mistakes all over the interface(thankfully I was able to correct a good few, but there's still plenty) and he won't correct them. Check out the ga:Vicipéid:Riarthóirí site to look at the requests for adminship, none of which have been granted, it looks as if the guy hasn't even looked at the page. Also, his Gaelic is sub-par, it would be better if admins in the Gaelic wikipedia could speak the language.

Also, I already set up an election for a bureaucrat, here. What should I do about that, just tell everyone it's cancelled? Thanks for your help. - Dalta 13:58, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

replied at User talk:Dalta. Angela.

VFD of HYP

Just letting you know about Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/HYP (universities) 2. If you have an opinion, please vote. I am notifying people who have been active on either side of the debate. —Lowellian (talk) 23:59, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Let me clarify that. You merged the page histories sometime ago after I told you about the page (and I did indicate such on Talk:HYP (universities)) (thanks for doing that, by the way), and I also noticed your comment at the bottom of Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/HYP (universities). I'm not trying to get you to vote if you don't want to, just letting you know the situation. Thanks. —Lowellian (talk) 00:02, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

I don't have any strong opinion on the deletion request. Angela.