Talk:Empathogen

On 8 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Empathogen–entactogen to Empathogen. The result of the discussion was moved.

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comment 1

this article was created from the merger of Empathogen and Entactogen, neither of which had talk pages. --Heah 22:57, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

comment 2

The second author in Nichols' 1986 paper, referenced here, is Andy Hoffman, no relation to Albert Hofmann. I removed the improper link. Merenta 15:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

comment 3

It says that the "en" in entactogen is from Greek meaning within. Is there a quote from Nichols where he denotes this as the meaning? Because I thought that "endo" or "ento" was Greek for "within" while "en" was latin for "to give" as an intensifier. Can anyone clear this up?

Found some other translations of the meaning as well. From the UNODC glossary of drug terms, "Term derived from the Greek "en" (inside) and "gen" (to induce) and the Latin "tactus" (tact)." http://www.unodc.org/unodc/report_1998-10-01_1_page027.html

From a page on erowid, "'entactogen' (from the Latin, meaning 'to touch within')". http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_writings2.shtml

And finally, "from Greek and Latin roots, literally producing a touching within", from http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:_DXjqdR5-sMJ:www.liv.ac.uk/psychology/staff/JCole/4379.pdf+%22entactogen%22+latin&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

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I have softened the oxytocin claim from this page. While MDMA does increase oxytocin, so do many serotonergic drugs.

MattBagg (talk) 08:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PMA and aMT

The list of substances on the bottom of the page contains PMA. The page of PMA explicitly states that it is NOT an entactogen. Which page has it right? Also, aMT is a relatively common drug considered to be entactogenic, but only its less common analogue, aET, actually shows up on the list.

I'm gonna go ahead and edit it.

Starprizm (talk) 04:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Section Suggestion

Has anyone considered adding a culture section to this article? The opening paragraph discusses the feeling of oneness caused by empathogens. I am wondering if these compounds were used in any type of ceremony or cultural act. Knowing that MDMA, a major example of an empathogen, was only just synthesized in the early 1900s, would this be a feasible addition?

I will also be working to address the need for more sources and greater clarification. Please let me know if you have any suggestions for this article! Courtlee214 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have just added a new section titled "Therapeutic Uses." I hope that this is helpful in suggesting the pros and cons of clinical use of empathogens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Courtlee214 (talk • contribs) 17:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Entactogen

Entactogens And Empathogens, As With Entheogens, Are Entirely Different Modal Classes Of Medicine. They May Share Similar Characteristics, Perhaps Sometimes Only Seperated By Subjectivity Or Environment Or Dosage, But Are Generally Catalyzed Through Differentiated Pharmacological Mechanisms As Occur To Individual Personality, Body Chemistry, And Conscious Intentionality.

In Ethnobotany And Naturopathy, These Distinct Modes Of Usage And Affect Have Been Well Studied For Millennia.

In My Personal Opinion, These, Although Related In Principle, Should Be Discussed As Distinct Topics. Also, The Initial Page Focus, Though Relevant, Carries Connotations Which May Do Disservice To Honest Inquiry And Discourse. VerifyTruth927 (talk) 02:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 15:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Empathogen–entactogen → Empathogen – These drugs are called either "empathogens" or "entactogens" but I've never seen them called "empathogen–entactogens". I suggest we pick one and leave the other as a redirect. Mike Selinker (talk) 20:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jax 0677 submitted a request at WP:RM/TR to move Empathogen (album) to Empathogen: No other article with this name.

DuckDuckGo query suggests that the drug class is primary for "empathogen", hence the WP:primary redirect. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 13:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better to leave that as Empathogen (album), I think.--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. To make it clear for the closer: support move as proposed. Am also OK with move to Entactogen per Oxford Reference ("alternative name for an empathogen"). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Empathogen, as it is the more common of the two. --Thoric (talk) 16:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.