Talk:Uluru

Title change to Uluru / Ayers Rock

As the official gazetted name of the site is Uluru / Ayers Rock, I believe the title of this article should be changed to reflect this and to bring it up to article standards.

It should be changed to "Uluru (formerly known as Ayers Rock by the invaders)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.36.26.145 (talk) 23:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

(Smiles at the sarcasm in the above reply, then regains composure). Per WP:COMMONNAME, as it is usually only referred to as "Uluru" nowadays, that is the correct name for the article. The "official" name has no actual bearing on the article title. Turkey is officially "Republic of Türkiye", but that isn't where the article is. Nor is Australia at "Commonwealth of Australia". The official name is taken into account, and should always be mentioned in the article, along with any historical names, but really has no bearing on the title of the article. (Also per WP:COMMONNAME, and maybe some other policies too, "Uluru (formerly known as Ayers Rock by the invaders)" probably isn't quite suitable either). Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:54, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate that this is a sort of compromise: "Uluru (/ˌuːləˈruː/; Pitjantjatjara: Uluṟu [ˈʊlʊɻʊ]), also known as Ayers Rock (/ˈɛərz/ AIRS) and officially gazetted as Uluru / Ayers Rock," but if it is officially named Uluru / Ayers Rock, then it should be referred to in the name of the article as Uluru / Ayers Rock and the initial sentence can actually remain exactly as it is and as I just quoted it. Mutual charity does not require either that it keep repeating the dualism throughout, it can subsequently use only Uluru, but it also doesn't require either the trite sarcasm of the above suggestion OR using only one of its official names in the article title. If 'the invaders' were to someday leave and take all their stuff, their nomenclature can go too. Random noter (talk) 01:29, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

On reflection, Mako001's comment makes a lot of sense and I defer if it is usually known only as Uluru "these days", though it does open up some wider Wikipedia issues. I'm not convinced that Wikipedia is always a trailing indicator when these kinds of nomenclature changes come up, which it should be. And the examples that editor uses can be open to question if the legal name of a thing and the common name don't always refer to the exact same concept. Arguably, "France" and "French Republic" would not. Perhaps only a curiosity. Random noter (talk) 01:34, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2023 - suggest changing Uluru to Uluṟu

Suggest replacing “Uluru” with “Uluṟu” throughout. This is inline with conventions for writing Aṉangu in the English/Roman alphabet (per Anangu Culture page on the National Parks’ website. ) 49.183.117.39 (talk) 07:43, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

How do I type "Uluṟu"? Serious question. Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia anyone can edit, and most can't or won't type "Uluṟu" the way you request. HiLo48 (talk) 07:48, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:34, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

• Not a good idea. Underlining characters is not part of standard English, which does not have diacritic marks. Let's keep this page in written in English, and can make a reference that there are alternate spellings. Quark1005 (talk) 23:30, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2024

The citation for "Uluru from All Angles: The Modern Controversy of Climbing the Sacred" by Lucy Gamble is dead but has an archived copy available; I chose the last Internet Archive snapshot I could find. (Wordpress says "This site has been archived or suspended.", and it must be suspended, as site:sites.coloradocollege.edu Uluru turns up nothing.)

Consider changing:

{{cite web |url=http://sites.coloradocollege.edu/indigenoustraditions/sacred-lands/uluru-from-all-angles-the-modern-controversy-of-climbing-the-sacred/ |title=Uluru from All Angles: The Modern Controversy of Climbing the Sacred |work=Indigenous Religious Traditions |publisher=Colorado College |first=Lucy |last=Gamble |date=20 November 2012 |access-date=15 October 2017}}

to:

{{cite web |url=http://sites.coloradocollege.edu/indigenoustraditions/sacred-lands/uluru-from-all-angles-the-modern-controversy-of-climbing-the-sacred/ |title=Uluru from All Angles: The Modern Controversy of Climbing the Sacred |work=Indigenous Religious Traditions |publisher=Colorado College |first=Lucy |last=Gamble |date=20 November 2012 |access-date=1 February 2024 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230604141558/http://sites.coloradocollege.edu/indigenoustraditions/sacred-lands/uluru-from-all-angles-the-modern-controversy-of-climbing-the-sacred/ |archive-date=4 June 2023 |url-status=dead}}

73.37.211.177 (talk) 19:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done PianoDan (talk) 22:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)