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Scott J. Andreassi

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Former county politician. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Hirolovesswords (talk) 23:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not sure this rises to the level of notability, rather limited career section. I don't see any articles about this person either, I'm not sure what's given is sufficient. Oaktree b (talk) 23:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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On the Fence. Here are a few more sources: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], There is also a lot of things like this and this, this, and this, etc. where he comments on cases he is involved with. I'd like to hear others comment on these, to me this could be enough for WP:SIGCOV when considering the sources already in the article, but... it is borderline depending on how we interpret the sourcing in light of WP:NPOL and WP:NOTNEWS. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beck (EP)

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EP has zero coverage found in a WP:BEFORE. As for the citations present, 2 are database sites (no notability inherited from them), and the third is basically a press release announcing the release. Other language pages do not have any citations other than databases either.

I had previously redirected the page, but it was reverted. Reason give for the reversal was "This is a release by a major artist and therefore notable. Changing it to a redirect broke a bunch of links includlng the Beck chronology." We know that notability isn't inherited, so it doesn't matter how famous Beck is, if this release cannot stand on its own then it does not need to exist and can be mentioned in the Beck article. As for the reason that redirecting it "broke links", that is not a reason for keeping an article. Links can be fixed. DonaldD23 talk to me 22:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Beck discography per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 23:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep – Sufficient coverage in multiple reliable sources. See my additions today including brief but significant coverage in Radio & Records, New Straits Times, the Richmond Times-Dispatch, the Wisconsin State Journal and Under the Radar. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Islom Kenjaboev

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Tagged for this by others since September. Has no sources other than databases much less GNG sources. North8000 (talk) 22:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. I could find no WP:RS.4meter4 (talk) 22:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails on WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent Czyz

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I am nominating this article for deletion under wikipedia's notability guidelines.

This article appears to be a PR piece commissioned by the author themselves, or their literary agency. Just a few hours after the first edit, the author made an edit, followed by a long series of edits by the single originating account. The article included some awards which the author paid in order to receive. Anapophenic (talk) 21:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Was a WP:BEFORE done? Easily passes WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV. Chapter 23 of Shorter Views: Queer Thoughts & the Politics of the Paraliterary by Samuel R. Delany (2011, Wesleyan University Press) is devoted to a lengthy analysis/discussion of Cyzc's Adrifit in A Vanishing City. Book reviews in independent secondary WP:RS: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], and [15]. Other WP:RS: [16], [17] Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Popularity of Premier League clubs

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Not a suitable topic for an article, it requires too much original research. Largely based on one study conducted by Twitter in 2015. Many of the other statements are unsourced or not supported by the source. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:NOTPROMO. Also an inappropriate WP:CFORK.4meter4 (talk) 23:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: if deleted merge into other articles please.

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Delete This isn't WP:NOTPROMO, but it is essentially a literature review. SportingFlyer T·C 05:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - per SportingFlyer. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drew Jacksich

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Fails WP:GNG. Ternera (talk) 21:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I love his photography and was saddened to hear of his passing, but he does not appear to meet GNG. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sadly. Certainly a well-known photographer of railway content, but alas the WP:SIGCOV in secondary materials is just not there. Perhaps, at some point his body of work will be written about posthumously in independent WP:RS, but until that happens we can't have an article.4meter4 (talk) 23:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. TarnishedPath^talk 02:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pranav Adani

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Non-notable individual. Sources are promotional and cited to WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Only known for being a relative of Gautam Adani. See WP:INHERITED. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - as noted above, infomercials have taken over previously responsible media there, so sourcing about business in India requires better quality sourcing. Bearian (talk) 08:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per WP:BEFORE, subject passes WP:BASIC. And this article has persisted since 2018. AFD Nomination seems intentional or any paid agenda. B-Factor (talk) 13:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BASIC states- "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." — So far not a single source has been provided that offers significant coverage to the subject and doesn't fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA, which raises concerns as to whether the supposed coverage is even independent. Articles are not considered notable only because they have existed for some time on Wikipedia. Your last sentence is a serious aspersion without any basis. - Ratnahastin (talk) 06:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:INHERITED. Nothing shows he is notable outside his relationship with Gautam Adani. Lorstaking (talk) 04:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject holds multiple notable positions in notable organizations, and the sources are reliable enough. Citations can be implemented.Lalu Faizy (talk) 19:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Holding positions in notable organisations does not make one notable by association, see WP:INHERITED. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources India.com, Business Standard, DD, DNA India, Business Today Fugoja (talk) 20:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are very poor sources for establishing notability, as all of them are Indian news organisations, which are known to release paid articles without any disclosure, as outlined in WP:NEWSORGINDIA.

Your first source is sourced to india.com which is written in a promotional language. Same thing with the second source, your third source is only a DD footage of his speech at Uttrakhand GIS 2023, your fourth source also appears to be a paid article given the promotional tone, and your fifth source is only a transcript of the speech he made at GIS 2023. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:INHERITED. None of the references above establish WP:GNG. Dympies (talk) 05:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article is live since 2018, and the article has maintained a certain level of notability over time. Since it's creation, the article has been developed with reliable sources, and although it may have room for improvement, its longevity demonstrates to met WP:GNG and WP:PEOPLE when it was initially published. Regemoso (talk) 08:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Articles that have existed for far longer than this get deleted regularly at AfD, keeping an article only because it has existed for some time has no basis in policy. - Ratnahastin (talk) 08:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Close as No Consensus. I think its time to close this as WP:NOCONSENSUS. The problem with the whole WP:NEWSORGINDIA argument is one is never sure whether the coverage is paid or independent, and it essentially means that anybody living India who draws national but not international news coverage might become the target of such an AFD. To my mind, this kind of reasoning is a shot in the dark because it could be legit, and it might not be. What is certainly does is reinforce WP:SYSTEMICBIAS against article on Indian people which is problematic. With people on both sides of the issue, and with no definite proof that the coverage isn't independent I'm not seeing a strong consensus to delete at this time.4meter4 (talk) 02:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:N. There isn't one source that has significantly provided coverage to this person. The sources only give him little importance because they are discussing Gautam Adani. CharlesWain (talk) 03:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete undoubtedly fails WP:GNG. Not opposed to creating a redirect. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 04:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As relative of a notable Gautam Adani does not make the subject notable. WP:INHERITED. Not opposed to Redirect. RangersRus (talk) 13:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Weak Keep as per the following three reliable references; South China Morning Post, Financial Express, and Business Standard. If there are more such citations, the page could meet the criteria outlined in the Heymann Standard. However, we should keep in mind that WP:THREE and WP:HEY are essays, not an established guidelines. Charlie (talk) 13:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CharlieMehta: South China Morning Post source is discussing Gautam Adani and only giving short coverage to Pranav Adani based on his familial relationship and the benefits that come with it (positions in his companies). The Business Standard is an Indian news organisation and the source is written in promotional tone, it also says "Pranav Adani, Managing Director, Agro and Oil & Gas, Adani Group" at the very bottom of the page which is very unusual and the Financial Express source only has a generic byline and same promotional tone, therefore both would fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA as likely sponsored articles. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete based on the source analysis provided by Ratnahastin. Charlie (talk) 15:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In terms of notability, the subject passes WP:GNG as there is significant coverage Bloomberg, DNA, India.com. Regarding the concern about promotional sources, Indian media employs such a style to attract readers to drive traffic, which can sometimes come across as promotional. The subject has the potential for improvement rather than deletion. Tedamime (talk) 19:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock[reply]
Except for Bloomberg report (which concerns Adani's slum rehabilitation program), all three of the sources have been addressed above. If you think Indian media does not engage in undisclosed paid releases, then you should get such a consensus on RSN. - Ratnahastin (talk) 19:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete completely fails WP:N. Sources do not discuss his biography. The above hand-waves about notability are dubious. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 11:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:- There is no definitive proof that the coverage is not independent. Unless clear evidence is provided to discredit the sources as unreliable or paid. The article appears to meet WP:BASIC, as it has received significant coverage in multiple sources. Not found any strong consensus for deletion. Avishek Pilot (talk) 19:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NEWSORGINDIA is very clear on what to consider when assuming an article to be a sponsored content. "Look at the tone and language of the article, its placement in the publication, use of generic bylines not identifying an individual reporter or reviewer, overlap in language with articles found in other publications and on other websites, and others" Almost all the presented sources have one or all of the aforementioned issues. This is also the first AFD you have participated in, like many of the "keep" votes above, I wonder what's going on.- Ratnahastin (talk) 00:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:AVOIDYOU. Avishek Pilot (talk) 10:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closer - Adani family is known for its bad history with Wikipedia Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-02-20/Disinformation report which involved socking and paid editing spanning a decade, even this article has a shady history. This AFD is also seeing a wave of new users that have never participated in deletion nominations before, coming here to vote "keep". See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/B-Factor Please take this into consideration when closing. Thanks. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep According to an old saying, for every successful person, there are a number of people who hate them for no reason. The same is true in this case with the Adani family. Without a question, Adani Group is the most famous business group in India and the world. The nominator also nominates this 2nd time: Adani EnterprisesLet's come back to Pranav Adani, He is one of the notable businessman of Adani Family, passes WP:GNG. Having presence on notorious resources passes WP:SIGCOV. Bakhtar40 (talk) 06:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Prove how it passes WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV, vague hand waving at policies does not amount to much. - Ratnahastin (talk) 13:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many sources have been posted by users wanting to keep this article, although I have already addressed and analysed them in my replies, I'm still going to post a source analysis in tabular form to make it easier for the closer.

Reference Number	Reference	Comments	Independent	Significant	Reliable	Secondary
1	https://www.india.com/business/meet-man-who-studied-at-harvard-and-boston-works-closely-with-gautam-adani-he-is-adanis-7278041/	Promotional tone and emphasizes his "blood relation" to Gautam Adani, falls under NEWSORGINDIA.	No	Yes	No	Yes
2	https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/pranav-adani-powering-ahead-114111201488_1.html	Promotional flattering puff piece from 2014 that falls under WP:NEWSORGINDIA.	No	Yes	No	Yes
3	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMe6BgJCXfM	DD footage of his speech at GIS 2023.	Yes	NA	No	No
4	https://www.dnaindia.com/business/report-meet-pranav-adani-one-of-the-heirs-to-india-s-leading-business-empire-he-is-gautam-adani-s-nephew-3111696	Appears to be a promotional press release like the business standard source above, falls under NEWSORGINDIA.	No	Yes	No	Yes
5	https://www.businesstoday.in/magazine/columns/story/indias-green-journey-why-the-country-must-tone-down-its-reliance-on-thermal-energy-according-to-pranav-adani-418968-2024-02-26	Probably the transcript of his speech at a summit,the source lists Pranav Adani as the author.	No	No	No	No
6	https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/article/3281554/meet-4-heirs-poised-inherit-gautam-adanis-us213-billion-empire-karan-jeet-pranav-and-sagar-company	A few passages dedicated to him emphasizing his role as the inheritor of Adani's fortune.	Yes	No	Yes	Yes
7	https://www.financialexpress.com/life/lifestyle-meet-pranav-adani-the-lesser-known-nephew-of-gautam-adani-and-brother-of-karan-and-jeet-adani-know-about-his-career-education-and-more-3588785/	Indian outlet & promotional puff piece, has generic byline and falls under NEWSORGINDIA.	No	Yes	No	Yes
8	https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-08-08/adani-group-says-it-can-revamp-dharavi-even-as-it-becomes-political-flash-point	Only the second last paragraph covers him,while the last one is quoting him, the source only appears to state his relationship with regards to Adani group's efforts at slum rehabilitation.	Yes	No	Yes	Yes
9	https://www.rediff.com/money/report/pix-special-meet-the-young-man-behind-the-success-of-adani-group/20141113.htm	Same article as the business standard source above.	No	Yes	No	Yes
10	https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/pranav-adani-meets-yogi-adityanath-offers-to-invest-in-food-parks-power-7076516/	WP:ROUTINE coverage about him announcing investments in Uttar Pradesh	Yes	No	No	Yes
11	https://www.livemint.com/Companies/DqJuRxvZs9nLSrDnBnMZ4H/Adani-Enterprises-names-Pranav-Adani-as-additional-director.html	WP:ROUTINE coverage & passing mention about being named as a director of an Adani subsidiary.	Yes	No	Yes	Yes
12	https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/business/business-news/gautam-adani-lesser-known-nephew-pranav-adani-adani-enterprises-md-know-everything-about-him/articleshow/113673383.cms	Another puff piece in the same vein as all the previous articles.	No	Yes	No	Yes

- Ratnahastin (talk) 03:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As discussed on WP:NEWSORGINDIA, there is no indication of sponsored content, such as supplements, published by these media outlets. Additionally, there is no evidence of Brand Wire, Press Release News, Business Spotlight, Brand Post, or Impact Feature. It remains unclear why the nominator continues to consider the content as paid. Avishek Pilot (talk) 10:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I already addressed this. - Ratnahastin (talk) 11:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personal opinions alone may not serve as a valid basis for arguments. The entire summary of the AFD seems to rely on personal thoughts without supporting or verifiable evidence to substantiate the concerns raised. Some comments made during the discussion seem aimed at challenging opposing point. As this is a collaborative discussion, it’s important to consider all perspectives and await the final decision. Avishek Pilot (talk) 11:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This does not address what I wrote there. - Ratnahastin (talk) 11:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Per source analysis provided by the nominator, the subject appears to have only received coverage in paid advertorials while reliable and independent sources only offer rudimentary coverage, that too for being Adani's nephew. Nxcrypto Message 14:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Many sources are available, and as per WP:BASIC, established WP:GNG. Please see the coverage the rediff.com here, Indian Express here, Livemint here, Navbharat Times here. The arguments on WP:NEWSORGINDIA seem to center around the confusion of whether the content is paid or not. However, as per WP:NEWSORGINDIA, there is no indication of paid coverage, only a writing style often used in Indian media. Historically, Indian media uses a promotional tone to attract readers, this does not necessarily indicate paid coverage. If this standard were applied broadly, no Indian article would remain on Wikipedia, as the common issue would always be a promotional tone without evidence of paid coverage. Deleting an article based on such a premise does not align with WP:PURPOSE. Kevarove (talk) 18:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That rediff source is literally the same article & authored by the same guy as the Business Standard article that has been already addressed above. Indian Express & Livemint are merely routine news coverage about him investing in Uttar Pradesh and being named as a director of an Adani subsidiary. Navbharat article is an unreliable promotional puff piece. None of these sources address any of the concerns raised prior or fall out of the purview of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The source analysis is persuasive, far more so than any of the Keep analyses. Edwardx (talk) 19:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- The source analysis by the nominator appears to be based on personal interpretations, as reflected in comments like 'promotional tone,' 'promotional press release,' 'probably the transcript,' 'Indian outlet,' and 'promotional puff piece.' These points lacking in dependability. Additionally, as WP:NEWSORGINDIA is under question. The subject is a well-known business entity, recognized in India and globally. The analysis by Kevarove Pass WP:SIGCOV. Wyzoqaku (talk) 20:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The words I have used are already used at WP:NEWSORGINDIA, there's no personal interpretation here. Your post is only reiterating comments by prior votes. - Ratnahastin (talk) 03:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: seems to have enough coverage for WP:GNG. Kevarove have added 4 new refs which are Pass WP:N. The sources has significantly provided coverage to this person. Bojawa (talk) 21:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock.[reply]
Delete per nominator's source analysis and the absence of policy- or source-based keep !votes. I also disagree with the "no consensus" argument above. The history of socking/UPE here is very concerning. At risk of casting improper aspersions, I will note my lack of surprise at seeing that this AfD has attracted a large number of new or inexperienced editors. Toadspike [Talk] 08:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is no evidence of meeting WP:GNG. ZDX _{(User) |}_(Contact) 12:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I said this after the second re-list nearly a week ago, and I still believe its true. There currently is no consensus in this discussion to delete the article. The source analysis by Ratnahastin has not made a significant change in consensus, and opinions remain fairly evenly divided (not that it's a vote). It's time to close this as no consensus.4meter4 (talk) 15:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Check the SPI. - Ratnahastin (talk) 15:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is concerning, but even absent the discounted commenters, I still don't think there is a clear consensus to delete.4meter4 (talk) 17:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given the CU's comment It seems improbable that half a dozen unrelated good-faith actors would show up to an AfD with a history of UPE while hopping across proxies. I would say Wikipedia:Open_proxies#Checkuser applies here. - We will have to discount everyone listed there. - Ratnahastin (talk) 17:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for filing that, Ratnahastin. 4meter4, I disagree. The !votes to keep have been entirely free of sourcing or policy-based arguments. And while I agree with your point about systemic bias to some extent, we won't improve the Indian media landscape with an AfD, and a member of the Adani family is the last person I'd consider oppressed by systemic bias. Toadspike [Talk] 17:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

a member of the Adani family is the last person I'd consider oppressed by systemic bias - Infact, they have thoroughly abused Wikipedia for self promotion. - Ratnahastin (talk) 17:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, sources listed are not enough to satisfy WP:GNG.Adamantine123 (talk) 15:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I appreciate Ratnahastin's source analysis but this isn't fully correct; there are important references that pass SIGCOV. I agree with what 4meter4 said above as well.Bakhtar40 (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are those references? - Ratnahastin (talk) 17:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- I found this [18] and with some of the above mentioned it should pass WP:BASIC , WP:GNG Chikwendummesonma (talk) 17:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It has a promotional tone and the prose appears to be AI generated: GPTzero analysis of some random samples taken from it [19] [20] [21] - This means that article is perhaps just a collection of hallucinations, therefore not WP:RS. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Cole Stratton

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Non-notable performer; lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources, failing WP:NACTOR / WP:GNG. All references are mentions of subject in articles about podcasts/live appearances, no significant coverage found in Google News. -- Wikipedical (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep or redirect to SF Sketchfest as an WP:ATD. Here is one good source example from San Francisco Gate: [22]. There are bunch more there in this search result; most of which are related to the SF Sketchfest, but some also reviews of his performances as a sketch comic. As the founder of a notable festival in San Francisco there is a certain degree of notability, but it might just be better to redirect to the festival page.4meter4 (talk) 02:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wuzhen Initiative

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Likely violates WP:NPOV. Does not appear to meet notability requirements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildfireupdateman (talk • contribs) 19:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Selective Merge to World Internet Conference#Summits#2nd World Internet Conference per WP:ATD. On its own not independently notable, but this was the end product of the 2nd World Internet Conference so it is reasonably covered there. The secondary sources that are still accessible can be used to verify content, and whoever does the merge can remove any overly promotional content in order to comply with WP:NPOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lisa Sharkey

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A non-notable businessperson fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO; contested draftification returned to mainspace with no improvements. The sources are all WP:PRIMARYSOURCE Q&A interviews ([23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28]; routine news in WP:TRADES publications ([29]); non-independent affiliated sources/official bios ([30], [31], [32], [33]); and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs ([34], [35], [36]). A non-bylined piece in WP:FORBES is not considered reliable. There is also a WP:FOXNEWS profile that reads like churnalism (it is almost entirely based on comments she posted on Facebook). Both Forbes and Fox are of questionable reliability per WP:RSP. Meanwhile, in my WP:BEFORE search I looked for evidence that her book Dreaming Green had been reviewed, but I only found one independent reliable source review and thus she does not qualify under WP:NAUTHOR. Finally, the article claims she is an Emmy and Peabody winner, but the sources for this claim are all affiliated with her (usually her official bio provided with speaking engagements and press releases). The Emmy site does not list her in its list of winners and nominees. (It appears that she may have won a NY Regional Emmy as part of a larger news team, which is generally not considered the kind of "major award" to qualify one under WP:ANYBIO.) She also does not appear in the search results for Peabody award winners or on the Dupont Award's website. Overall, no sources that are both reliable and independent validate her claims to major awards. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I at least found some more for the book.

Unsure currently about awards and things. Silver seren^C 23:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elephant football

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Fails WP:GNG. No secondary sources that shows WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There appears to be some coverage of the topic of elephants playing football, e.g. Newsweek, Reuters, The Independent, AS, News9, as well as some books, e.g. [37] & [38]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Elephants are sadly abused in many ways, but the fact that this happens doesn't make it a specific notable topic. If anything there can be a sentence at Elephant polo saying they are forced to play other sports, but these sources don't justify an article here. Reywas92^Talk 21:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep or perhaps find a suitable WP:ATD such as a merge to Captive elephants. There is coverage on this (both as an event and people protesting it) in secondary sources: [39], [40], [41], [42], [43], [44], [45] Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Captive elephants as above. Giant Snowman 08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It makes no sense to redirect to captive elephants. If such logic is applied all sports involing animals will be affected. There is no harm in keeping and incubating the article. Such sports is basically for tourism activities rather than for hard core sport activity. Also as 4meter4 pointed out, there is WP:SIGCOV as well. nirmal (talk) 04:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KeepAs per 4meter4 and BeanieFan11 there is WP:SIGCOV for this.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per all of the sources, identified by 4meter4. The subject has enough wp:sigcov for a standalone. Kaizenify (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Charles Taylor Jr.

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No sigcov, no evidence of notability, insufficient sourcing since its creation. Promotional article. Jdcooper (talk) 21:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Here is one piece of WP:RS I could locate: [46], but that is it. I will wait to give an opinion in case someone else comes forward with more sources.4meter4 (talk) 23:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vonabell Sherman

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BLP of a television personality, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for television personalities. The claim here is that she's been an "on-air guest" on a shopping channel, which is not "inherently" notable without WP:GNG-worthy coverage and analysis about her work -- but the article is completely unreferenced, and has been tagged as unreferenced since 2011 without ever having any sources added in the 13 years since. Bearcat (talk) 20:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. A WP:BEFORE search found someone else with the same name (who also isn't notable anyway), and her blog. That's it. Procyon117 (talk) 12:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Hindustani Muslim Heroes

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Contested draft, not a neutral title, and entirely unsourced. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Title has been changed and references added. As there are a lot of names it will take some time to add all the references. All the names have wikipedia links that have references . Information written is taken from those verified wikipedia pages of those people. Paadripaadri (talk) 21:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your good faith efforts, but please don't move the article in the middle of a deletion discussion. When the discussion has concluded, if the article is kept, then it can be moved. Thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 10:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it was moved as that was the only way to fixed that title from a non-neutral “heroes” to a neutral “notable”

+ hes added sources for the people and linked them,

whats the issue now?

hes created that page for a community big in number yet for whom not much efforts like that have been undertaken in the public space, if he’s trying to help it and if he has linked sources and the title has been fixed whats the problem then? Goshua55 (talk) 15:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify until properly sourced. If it's sourced correctly then it should be at ~~List of notable Hindustani Muslims~~ and not List of Notable Hindustani Muslim from different periods. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 05:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that should be List of Hindustani Muslims. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 05:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

whats the issue ? after discussion with some of my friends i thought it would be better to name it as notable figures. If theres no problem according to you we should conclude this discussion and then i can change the title. As for the references i have already explained more references will be added but this is just a compilation of names references of the people are given on their own respective pages. Paadripaadri (talk) 12:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Full of POV ridden mess, including infamous figures and labeling in a List of Heroes it's not like making list articles on controversial and infamous figures are prohibited but there should be different topic list for them. It clearly fails WP:NPOV and issue of WP:POVNAMING remains. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 22:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2000 (b-boy move)

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Doesn't meet WP:NFILM / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 19:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Boleyn: the article is about a breakdancing move, not a movie. WP:NFILM is completely irrelevant. As far as GNG: I don't know where to find reliable sources on breakdancing moves, but based on some Youtube videos the content seems to be accurate. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete While I agree the film notability is irrelevant, there seems to be nothing to support this article's general notability. I did a quick test googling a couple of other dance moves (air flares and kip-up) alongside site:.edu for reliable sources (yes I know not all edu sources are reliable, but it at least skims out random blogs and such). While these 2 moves easily provided relevant sources, searching "2000 b-boy dance" yielded sources that only used 2000 as a year, not a dance move.

TL;DR: Delete per WP:GNG Urchincrawler (talk) 23:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IShowSpeed's tour of Southeast Asia

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Article is very poorly sourced, and constitutes WP:NOTNEWS CitrusHemlock 18:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning Delete Per the sources being mostly just his own live streams. Poor sourcing, only slightly notable. ☩ ^{(Babysharkboss2)} 18:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Filled with primary and unreliable sources, along with original research. Also seems to be written from a fan's perspective. The tour should be mentioned in IShowSpeed's individual article as there is not enough substance for an individual article. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 18:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just so we keep the info all on one discussion, if anyone knows how to do it, I'm thinking we should merge this AfD discussion with the Europe and Australia/New Zealand tours. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 18:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 18:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete egregious over-coverage of a streamer, based on primary sources. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Full of primary sources (i.e. his livestreams, which are definitely NOT appropriate sources). It's already mentioned in his own article, so anything to add should be kept there. Procyon117 (talk) 12:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gar (music)

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It is written as an original research, fails WP:ATD and Fails WP:SIGCOV Jinnllee90 (talk) 17:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Clearly a WP:BEFORE was not done. Here is a book review of an entire book dedicated to this genre of music and dance in Tibet. There is also WP:SIGCOV in Jizeng, Mao (2001). "The Traditional Music of Tibet". In Robert C. Provine; Yosihiko Tokumaru; J. Lawrence Witzleben (eds.). The Garland Encyclopedia of World Music: East Asia: China, Japan, and Korea. Vol. Section IV: Music of China's National Minorities. Taylor & Francis. doi:10.1201/9781315086507. ISBN 9781315086507. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IShowSpeed's tour of Australia and New Zealand

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This feels WP:TOOSOON and exclusively uses primary and unreliable sources, along with original research in the form of maps. I'm also considering placing an Afd tag on Speed's Europe/Southeast Asia tours since none of Speed's tours seem like they warrant inclusion in the encyclopedia. They would be better mentioned briefly in Speed's own article which itself needs a lot of work. This article and the other Speed tour articles appear to be added from the perspective of a fan rather than from a non-neutral perspective. See the IShowSpeed article itself for a list of problems I found with content on his article, and, by extension, these tour articles. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 17:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page because the article is poorly sourced, written from a fan's perspective, and contain original research with maps:

KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 18:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Draftify per WP:TOOSOON and close per WP:SNOW. The sourcing just isn't there and it needs to close fast per WP:NOTPROMO. Make it pass an WP:AFC review before being allowed back in main space.4meter4 (talk) 17:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Think the same should be done with the Europe and Southeast Asia tours? KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 17:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete egregious over-coverage of a streamer. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KnowledgeIsPower9281, this AFD is not set up correctly as a bundled nomination. Please review the instructions at WP:AFD for nominating multiple articles and format your nomination statement accordingly. It's not just a matter of tagging an article, this AFD has to be correctly formatted or our editing tools, XFDcloser will not take action on other articles that you think are included here but really aren't. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just moved the statement to the top of the AfD below my original nomination. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 12:19, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenichi Nozawa

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG as only 19 of the games came in the J League system, namely Japan's third league. Japanese Wikipedia only has two sources, which are primary. Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 16:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I notice there are 17 foreign language wiki pages. Do any of those have better sources than the English wiki page?4meter4 (talk) 17:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering most of them were created by the same 2-3 people, I doubt it. I had a look and the sources were basically the same. Procyon117 (talk) 12:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brayan Velásquez

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There is nothing notable about playing 28 football games in the league of Honduras, and youth world cups do not grant notability either. This would need several good WP:SIGCOV pieces to even be considered as passing the notability bar. Geschichte (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SPORTSBASIC. Here are a few examples from the just the first couple pages in google news: [47], [48], [49], [50], [51], [52], [53], [54] There are more...4meter4 (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The above sources are transfer stories/match reports/interviews which are routine coverage and do not pass GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 10:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Ivanoff

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While my main concern with the page is its lack of notability as per WP:BIO, I noticed the page is outdated and needs copy editing, among other problems.

Even if it meets the notability guideline for biographies, it'll need cleanup as per WP:BLP. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 16:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Ammann & Whitney per WP:ATD. The sources are pretty much all press releases and lack independence. I could find no WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 17:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Ammann & Whitney. Being outdated and needing copy editing are not a concern as they are easily addressed, but notability independent of the firm is. MarcGarver (talk) 17:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Lewis Park, Virginia

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GNIS stub for insignificant subdivision in Fairfax County, VA. WP:BEFORE yields unrelated results and links to sites like Zillow and Nextdoor. Waddles 🗩 🖉 16:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:GEOLAND or at least find a suitable WP:ATD. It's a populated place just looking at images in google maps. There are houses and businesses.4meter4 (talk) 17:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4: There are no businesses here aside from any random home businesses. This is a small residential subdivision within another populated place that is the CDP of Braddock, Virginia. If that doesn't indicate that lack of notability of this place, per WP:GEOLAND, residential subdivisions could be considered notable on a case-by-case basis, given non-trivial coverage by their name in multiple, independent reliable sources, but there are no independent reliable sources covering this topic that I could find, which would prove the notability of this development. Waddles 🗩 🖉 22:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Housing development/subdivision, not a notable community. I don't see any businesses, it's just a small suburban neighborhood. Merely being a populated place with houses does not entitle it to an article or even mention elsewhere – GEOLAND2 applies, not 1. Reywas92^Talk 19:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No opinion on whether this should be merged or redirected somewhere, but this area is a few minutes from where I live, and the entire region is dotted with otherwise indistinguishable neighborhoods with commercially cute names. There is really nothing to be kept as an article. It is a few streets, not a distinctive neighborhood. BD2412 T 20:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete There continues to be a lot of legalism about the wording of WP:GEOLAND but the usual rule has been that subdivisions need to satisfy GNG, which they almost never do. And this isn't an exception. I also would like to point out that the topo maps are highly inconsistent about whether or not to label subdivisions. Mangoe (talk) 19:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tel Aviv University Institute of Archaeology

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I should have uploaded the article through AfD, because I was paid by the subject in the past (which I have disclosed it). Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete per WP:G7 and speedy close per WP:SNOW. Bolter21 is the primary author of the article which has not been substantively edited by others (other than minor things like categories). Bolter has self-disclosed as a paid editor and is going to work on this through WP:DRAFT/WP:AFC review as required by our policies.4meter4 (talk) 17:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete G7 and redirect to Tel Aviv University#The Jacob M. Alkow Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures This organization is definitely notable, but in this form written by a student with an obvious COI, they should go through the proper processes to re-add this article per 4m4. During the process, an ATD to the school section about the school itself is proper. Nate • (chatter) 02:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rab Nawaz Choudhary

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Only notable for involvement in a single incident. The article on this, 1959 Canberra shootdown, does not mention him (if it did I would have reirected. Is it even worth a merge? TheLongTone (talk) 16:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep : He is mentioned in The Print and Dawn coverage.--Gul Butt (talk) 18:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Those sources which are viewable such as The Print and Dawn coverage are all trivial passing mentions and do not count towards notability per WP:SIGCOV. I would have supported a merge if I had been able to verify the content, but I am not having any luck finding anything on this man in WP:RS. With the article linking to amazon as a vendor it doesn't make me confident that the source are accurately represented.4meter4 (talk) 18:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mahsuri National Secondary School

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 15:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of schools in Kedah. It is in that list under the name SMK Mahsuri (currently a redirect to Mahsuri National Secondary School) which is the school's acronym name.4meter4 (talk) 19:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ma'ahad Muhammadi Lelaki

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 15:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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La Salle Secondary School, Kota Kinabalu

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 15:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I don't think there is sufficient deletion rationale. This editor has nominated a large number of schools quickly - each one minutes after the last, which does not seem like nearly enough time spent of an WP:BEFORE. It has sourcing, and it needs searching, but I am not willing to spend considerable time searching for sources in a language I don't speak, when the only rationale given for all of these is "Fails WP:NSCHOOL" (copied and pasted on all the others). I would be willing to spend more time if the the nom. will show how they have conducted a WP:BEFORE and analysed sources available elsewhere for this prima facie notable school. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article, by content, to me is just WP:MILL. A search of "smk la salle kota kinabalu" on Google showed me no source featuring the school primarily on itself, and it just mentioned along other schools. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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La Salle School, Petaling Jaya

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 15:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete‎. I have checked those of its supposed references as are accessible, searched for information about the other cited sources, some of which don't appear to exist, made my own searches for information relating to the content of the article, and studied the editing history of the editor who created the article. The outcome of those investigations was that this is clearly a hoax. JBW (talk) 17:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Qajar-Wahhabi War

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After checking a bit the sources of this article, it seems that this page is just dealing with some events that are not backed by WP:RS and should be deleted. ---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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My Country (1986 film)

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Article about a never-released (or at least never verifiably released) film, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NFILM. As always, films are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass certain specific notability criteria (awards, box-office success, third-party attention paid to them by journalists and film critics in the media) that generally require the film to have been released and seen by the general public.
But one of the two footnotes here is a short blurb in a book which confirms that this was never released, and the other is an even shorter blurb in the student newspaper of the university where parts of this film were apparently shot (and where this film's director was an alumnus) -- so one of the sources isn't fully independent of the film for the purposes of counting as WP:GNG-worthy independent third-party coverage, and the other one isn't substantive enough to confer passage of GNG by itself if it's the only independent third-party sourcing this film has.
As I don't have access to archives of Australian media coverage from the 1980s, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with such access can find better coverage to salvage the article with, but simple existence isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt an unreleased film from having to have more than just two short blurbs of coverage. Bearcat (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to John Flaus#Filmography: and add the book source from the article or refer to (more or less equivalent) Australian film, 1978-1992 : a survey of theatrical features, p. 368, indicating the role and, if necessary, other members of cast/crew (Warhead Films. Producers: Angus Caffrey, Ali Kayn. Scriptwriters: Angus Caffrey, Ali Kayn. Director of photography: Ray Boseley. Composer: Stephen Bates. Cast: John Flaus (Danby, Danby, Danby and Danby), Susanna Lobez (Angela Jeffries), Frank Percy (Milton Stephenson), Richard Hutson (Edmund Montague), Susie Arnold (Marjorie Allsop)) (Is listed on the target page) (FWIW that book indicates 1985) -Mushy Yank. 16:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cameron Murphy (author)

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Notability. All that I can see reeks of promotional content or PR guff. TheLongTone (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Promotional, and sources don't meet WP:RS - Alison ^talk 17:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Clear cut. The sources in the article (and those available elsewhere) do not establish notability. Many are trivial (like the link to muckrack or a profile on a webmasters association website). And the rest are clearly associated with the subject or orgs with which the subject has an association. The text is (as a result) promotional. And asserts ZERO indication of notability (Writing a self-published book, having a degree in English, being a self-declared(?) "expert" and a "webmaster" doesn't add up to notability). The undisclosed WP:PAID overtones are also very hard to ignore. Guliolopez (talk) 20:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. very pomotional. Spleodrach (talk) 09:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of online language tutoring platforms

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Does not appear to meet WP:NLIST. The one cited source discussing a group is about language learning apps in general, not "language tutoring platforms" specifically. – Joe (talk) 15:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment there is a non-trivial difference between "language tutoring platforms" and "language learning apps" like Duolingo or Babbel, which are listed at List of language self-study programs. But there isn't sourcing to suggest that Wikipedia needs a separate lists. I'm not sure if I prefer some form of merge (or a redirect to a category), but it should not be kept as-is. Walsh90210 (talk) 18:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

La Salle School, Klang

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KOSPINT

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 15:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kolej Yayasan Saad

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Kolej Sultan Abdul Hamid

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Klang High School

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King George V School, Seremban

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King Edward VII School, Taiping

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Keep. Passes WP:NSCHOOL. One of the oldest schools in Malaysia, large numbers of significant alumni, clearly notable. Could do with a bit of a clean-up though.Spiralwidget (talk) 15:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The school is not inherent of notability because it was established early per WP:ORGSIG. The school is not inheritable of notability because it has notable alumni per WP:INHERITORG. A source about reunion celebration did not provide in-depth coverage on the school itself. A source featured interviews of alumni is irrelevant to the Smart School project. By disregarding sources of list of notable alumni and of irrelevant as said, there is no proper notability here. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 17:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep - I don't think there is sufficient deletion rationale. This editor has nominated a large number of schools quickly - each one minutes after the last, which does not seem like nearly enough time spent of an WP:BEFORE. It has sourcing, and it needs searching, but I am not willing to spend considerable time searching for sources in a language I don't speak, when the only rationale given for all of these is "Fails WP:NSCHOOL" (copied and pasted on all the others). I would be willing to spend more time if the the nom. will show how they have conducted a WP:BEFORE and analysed sources on the page and those available elsewhere. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. What notability bright line does this Malaysian high school fail? Its longevity and number of citations argue for its being considered notable. This school has fully three times the number of citations than I found at other example Wikipedia articles on Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan ("national high school", although "national" doesn't seem to be a particular distinction, as there are many), which are not (so far) being challenged on notability grounds, although I cannot vouch for the relevancy of all of the citations. Dhtwiki (talk) 02:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC) (edited 02:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I have discarded few non-notable alumni, few school self-published sources, an alumnus own article and a poorly referenced smart school project. The remaining two sources are just about alumni reunion with coverage on statement about future of school rather than about the school itself. Please have a look. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 05:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Analysis of citations: Primary sources do not provide WP:V and WP:N, see also WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG#OS.^[1]^[2]^[3] Alumni reunion and donation did not provide in-depth coverage.^[4] A project on school cited with primary source and irrelevant news.^[5]^[6] This one could be promotional as an announcement without being any facts for the school.^[7] These are cited for non-notable alumni which were practically exclusionary,^[8]^[9]^[10]^[11]^[12]^[13]^[14]^[15] and many of them never mentioned the school also. Self-published source on biography should be excluded.^[16] This one featured the primary school, the secondary school is not inherent of notability.^[17] Finally, a quality citation just in.^[18]

I would like to quote concern from another discussion WP:Articles for deletion/SMK Seri Kembangan,
"How does that even make it special?"
Ong Kai Jin (talk) 11:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am strongly resisted on your acceptance of these citations. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 12:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree your comparison on other schools for not being challenged. A lot of them were PRODed at once in [55]. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 12:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Bestari, Penyelaras (8 October 2012). "Portal Rasmi SMK King Edward VII, Taiping, Perak" [Official Portal of SMK King Edward VII, Taiping, Perak]. SMK King Edward VII, Taiping (in Malay). Archived from the original on 14 August 2016. Retrieved 17 July 2016.
^ "Chronology". SMK King Edward VII, Taiping. 10 June 2008. Archived from the original on 14 August 2016. Retrieved 17 July 2016.
^ "The History of Rugby in King Edward VII School, Taiping". SMK King Edward VII, Taiping. 31 May 2008. Archived from the original on 14 August 2016. Retrieved 18 July 2016.
^ "Old Edwardians celebrate their 46th annual reunion". The Star. Star Media Group Berhad. 13 July 2013. Retrieved 17 July 2016.
^ Smart School Project Team (9 July 1997). "The Malaysian Smart School: An MSC Flagship Application" (PDF). Retrieved 19 July 2016.
^ "Nostalgia for Old School Ways". The New Straits Times. 18 December 2013. Archived from the original on 18 December 2013. Retrieved 18 December 2013.
^ "NCIA picks Taiping school". 23 June 2014. Archived from the original on 25 June 2014. Retrieved 2014-06-25.
^ "Media Prima Bhd". Businessweek. Bloomberg. 6 June 2014. Retrieved 6 June 2014.^{[dead link‍]}
^ Abdul Rashid, Faridah (2012). Biography Of The Early Malay Doctors 1900-1957 Malaya And Singapore. Xlibiris Corporation. p. 143. ISBN 9781-4771-5995-8.
^ "Medeguide". medeguide. Archived from the original on 4 June 2014. Retrieved 4 June 2014.
^ "The Straits Times, 20 July 1965, Page 17". NewspaperSG. The Straits Times. 20 July 1965. Retrieved 8 June 2014.
^ "My parents my lifeline". The Star. The Star Publications. 3 January 2006. Retrieved 8 June 2014.
^ "ATHLETICS: Hakimi on a mission". New Straits Times. 13 February 2014. Retrieved 8 June 2014.
^ Singh, Aftar (9 June 2015). "Hakimi made it count this time around". Star Media Group Berhad. Retrieved 18 June 2015.
^ "R R Chelliah J.S.M". The Kuala Lumpur Bar. Retrieved 3 April 2018.
^ "Saya MPR dan DBP". The Malaysian Insider. 16 September 2013. Archived from the original on 14 July 2014. Retrieved 8 June 2014.
^ BERNAMA (2019-09-29). "SK King Edward VII old building in need of repair". BERNAMA. Retrieved 2024-11-23.
^ Wright, Arnold; Cartwright, H. A. (1908). Twentieth century impressions of British Malaya: its history, people, commerce, industries, and resources;. Cornell University Library. London, Lloyd's Greater Britain Publishing Company, limited. p. 279.

Kajang High School

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 14:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bablu Mahato

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Clearly, it fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Simply being a member of a notable person's family does not automatically make an individual notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. Also, A draft article about the subject already exists, which has been rejected multiple times by reviewers. However, the creator bypassed the process by changing the name and directly creating the article in the mainspace. Baqi:) (talk) 15:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Withdraw. Today, He won the legislative election.

Green Road National Secondary School

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 14:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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English College Johore Bahru

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Damansara Utama National Secondary School

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Convent Taiping

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Cempaka Schools

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List of tornadoes causing 100 or more deaths

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Fails WP:NLIST, also fails WP:NOTDATABASE. E_F⁵ 14:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Tornado records and make into a category per above. Obviously notable and 100 is a healthy threshold for these tornadoes, having a way to access a list of these is well within the realm of Wikipedia, but as a list it isn't the greatest fit. To avoid needing to do a refund, the following tornadoes here do not have articles:

Manikganj, Singair and Nawabganj, Bangladesh (1973), 681 deaths
1969 East Pakistan tornado, 660 deaths (this is one I'm most likely to create!)
Magura and Narail Districts, Bangladesh (1964), 500 deaths
Madaripur and Shibchar, Bangladesh (1977), 500 deaths
North of Cooch Behar and surrounding areas, India / Bangladesh (1963), 300 deaths
Bhakua and Haripur unions, Bangladesh (1972), 300 deaths
Comilla, Bangladesh (1969), 263 deaths
Border of Orissa and West Bengal, India (1998), 250 deaths
Calcutta, India (1838), 250 deaths
Faridpur and Dhaka Districts, Bangladesh (1961), 210 deaths
14 miles southwest of Mymensingh, Bangladesh (1972), 200 deaths
Faridpur District, Bangladesh (1951), 200 deaths
Baliakandi, Bangladesh (1973), 200 deaths
Parshuram, Fulgazi, Somarpur, and Sonagazi, Bangladesh (1981), 200 deaths
Jaipur and Keonjhar Districts, India (1978), 173 deaths
Guntur and Chirala, India (1936), 162 deaths
Kandi, India (1993), 145 deaths
Naria, Zajira and Bhederganj, Bangladesh (1908), 141 deaths
Karimpur, India (1978), 128 deaths
Kapundi, Erandi, Dhanbeni and Rengalbeda, Bangladesh (1981), 120 deaths
Borni, Bangladesh (1986), 120 deaths
Dhaka, Bangladesh (1908), 118 deaths
Mokshedpur, Bhanga and Tungipara, Bangladesh (1977), 111 deaths
11 miles West of Bogra, Bangladesh (1974), 100 deaths

Maybe these would go into a List of Bangladesh tornadoes / List of Indian tornadoes article. I'll get an HTML of this article today to save their sources from being lost to deleted-article space. Departure– (talk) 14:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bukit Mewah National Secondary School

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Bukit Mertajam High School

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St Thomas Church, Nalukody

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After doing WP:BEFORE, I cannot find any evidence of WP:SIGCOV or notability. Grahaml35 (talk) 14:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of living former sovereign monarchs

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Fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY about listing of living monarchs, also largely unsourced. Absolutiva (talk) 14:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Higlada

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No sources for at least the past 6 years. Online (english language, at least) sources seem to either reference this wiki page or be autogenerated in some other way. Honestly not sure if it still meets WP:GEOLAND so submitting here rather than PROD. Smallangryplanet (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: It seems to exist [56], but it's still lacking any sort of coverage other than a name in a list. Oaktree b (talk) 15:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alam Shah Science Secondary School

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 13:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep - I don't think there is sufficient deletion rationale. This editor has nominated a large number of schools quickly - this one was 11 minutes after the previous which does not seem like nearly enough time spent of an WP:BEFORE. It has sourcing, and it needs searching, but I am not willing to spend considerable time searching for sources in a language I don't speak, when the only rationale given for all of these is "Fails WP:NSCHOOL" (copied and pasted on all the others). I would be willing to spend more time if the the nom. will show how they have conducted a WP:BEFORE and analysed sources on the page and those available elsewhere. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reliable sources covered about basic information on gender, name change and national exam grades of some years. These are enough to provide in-depth coverage and to establish notability.

The curriculum section sources are irrelevant. One of it mentioned the school just because of a student personal comment on an competition event, and it is just among comments from others. Schools do not inherit individual achievement or it would be promotional. Another source was also a passing mention on the school where three entrepreneurs were from the same school. A source about a debate competition featured primarily on another school. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 16:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmad Boestamam National Secondary School

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2019 Goodfield arson

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Can we either simply delete this article, or remove and revdel all references to the accused (and delete all mentions of his name elsewhere). This is a 9-year-old who wasn't even convicted, it fails WP:SUSPECT (and WP:BLP1E), and shouldn't be named and shamed even if the article itself isn't named after him. Fram (talk) 12:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete On top of the above concerns, this never seems to have moved beyond police blotter coverage in reliable sources other than a slow-newws-day piece in the NZ Herald. Mangoe (talk) 13:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are some academic criminology sources discussing this, focusing on how young the perpetrator was, which indicates to me that this probably warrants an article... someday. From looking at it the case was never dropped it just got caught up in what I expect is the extremely complicated circumstances involved in prosecuting a 9 year old for mass murder. If/when he does get convicted and if there is then later coverage that is in depth and retrospective I would not be opposed to recreating it. As is this may be too hard to write at the moment. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt I'm going to be blunt, WP:BLPCRIME and WP:MINORS (as a crime subject, not bright-line as what that essay notes usually) must be invoked here and somehow even though there were edits supposedly removed in November 2020, the minor's name has been kept in the article even though Illinois is damned clear that juvenile offenders charged in juvenile court, such as this subject are never to be named in a case outside very specific cases. It's now been removed from the article body, but I'm asking an admin if they see this to revdel the name if possible. And as for the case itself, this is simply only notable in the Peoria area. Nate • (chatter) 02:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One of the sources mentions his name. Do we remove that source too or? Procyon117 (talk) 12:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not in favor of keeping the article but this must have been such a "specific case" because almost every source on the event does name him, both in immediate aftermath and later on. It's not like it was mentioned in one article and then never again. Just a note. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the brightline opinion, juveniles in Illinois can be named in a newspaper, but the state's press association asks them to think about the ethics and justification of doing so; generally I cede to local sources's judgement on doing so (usually Chicago area media do not but I can't speak for Peoria), and just feel that we can't justify any naming here. The editor who added it was a drive-by and because of their age, I feel we should be cautious and leave the name out. Its exclusion doesn't muddle the article in any appreciable or visible manner.Nate • (chatter) 22:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All that aside, what you initially said ("are never to be named") does not seem to be true here, given how widely printed his name is. His name is also in the URL of the most used source on the page. For that reason I consider revdelling pointless unless you want to remove all the sources especially since it will simply be deleted for lack of notability. And such is why you should not write articles on ongoing criminal cases. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this article per WP:NOTNEWS in the absense of any signs of enduring notability or broader interest (the only sources I can find that were not in the immediate aftermath are super-local media) and a significant concern about whether this could ever be BLP-compliant. --JBL (talk) 17:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bruce Lake Station, Indiana

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Another case where Baker actually says this was a post office, and yes, the topos show it was the site of a rail station. And there's nothing much there now. The lake, btw, is two miles to the west. Mangoe (talk) 11:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MC Casino

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Fails the general notability criteria and the SNG for creatives as they are an upcoming comedian. In a search for more sources, this source from The Sun and this source from Nigerian Tribune seems promising but the lack of byline shows that they are sponsored posts. Other sources are passing mentions or are interviews. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Agree with nomination. Searching for sources from this end brought out nothing reliable. The subject fails GNG and NCREATIVE. Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 10:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Reading Beans Easy over there, Are you sure you did [[WP:BEFORE]] before nominating this article for deletion? My research is suggesting otherwise. Also, Please tell me how you concluded the source from Tribune is sponsored? I created this article in 2022 and I can spot it needs more reliable sources which I am going to work on now but nomination for deletion seems a way too early. Tesleemah (talk) 10:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The tribune source was already in the article, a WP:BEFORE is to bring in new references Tesleemah (talk) 10:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The BEFORE is to look for ways to improve the article instead of deleting. The two sources I saw that could have helped were not independent as they were sponsored. As I explained in the nomination statement, lack of byline (or use of newspaper names) shows that they are sponsored. For example, The Guardian uses Editor or Guardian Nigeria for sponsored articles. Do you understand now?

The nomination is not too early, an article was created 3 hours ago can be nominated for deletion if they don’t meet the inclusion criteria through this 7 days process or a CSD. You should know this as a patroller. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 18:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep : I created this article in 2022 when I was not familiar with the policies of creating article, I see they don't truly pass WP:NCREATIVE after thorough review however they pass WP:GNG as the article has been updated with independent sources. I'm neutral towards the deletion or allowing it to remain, It's up to other editors to vote appropriately. Tesleemah (talk) 11:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

X-ray nanoprobe

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Unsourced, had a CSD for copyvio, rejected due to it being a govt. website. Entire article sounds promotional as well. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 09:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:GNG easily in a WP:BEFORE. The text is a copy paste of a US Gov. document that is in the public domain, and the text is therefore allowed to be copy pasted and distributed on Wikipedia. Attribution would be a simple matter of adding the website as a source. More importantly X-ray nanoprobes are covered thoroughly in sources in google books and google scholar and in science journals accessible through the Wikipedia Library. I really can’t see the value of deleting this. Ideally a motivated editor will come along and rewrite it so it doesn’t mirror the US Gov document so closely and has more cited references. However the current article is better than no article. The issues in the article can be solved through normal editing.4meter4 (talk) 10:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment While legally one can copy the text into WP, the text is indeed promotional in tone and doesn't give a good justification for the thing's inclusion. It needs other citations, and it needs a rewrite, and all that's assuming it gets kept. At the minimum it needs a citation for its actual source. Mangoe (talk) 11:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, totally agree with Mangoe. We're supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a content mirror. That means summarising sources, plural (and pointing our readers at those sources) so that we add value. If all we're going to do is mirror without attribution, we're doing a worse job than a simple Google search, because at least Google doesn't obfuscate the source of what it's showing you. Elemimele (talk) 12:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft: Gscholar brings up many results, but you can't just dump the content of a US gov't paper here, with no sourcing, and create an article. This needs work. Oaktree b (talk) 15:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Cranston

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Subject played one season of professional lacrosse. I found this piece (continued here), which appears to be WP:SIGCOV at first glance but really only amounts to about six sentences of independent coverage of Cranston. There is also this and this from his post-playing career, which is why I decided to put it up for discussion. JTtheOG (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Phil Gilman

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources and IMDB supplied. LibStar (talk) 00:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This subject has won the London Classic darts tournament and British Open, two prestigious winnings with the look of things. This article could be kept on this basis alone, but if anyone finds a slight coverage, then this should be kept. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- For winning the prestigious British Open in 1992 Chikwendummesonma (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Herbert (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only a single source provided. LibStar (talk) 22:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrea Micheletti (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 00:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gary Eastwood

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only a single source provided. LibStar (talk) 22:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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PS Klabat Jaya Sakti

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Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of secondary coverage that shows WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I do see Indonesian articles such as [57] [58] [59] which demonstrate the club is covered in the media on a consistent basis, but I'm struggling with the language barrier. SportingFlyer T·C 18:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which (appear to) show notability. Giant Snowman 08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources in the article and this AfD only cover the game results, not the subject itself. As a team playing in the lowest division of football in Indonesia, its notability is limited to its region and it's relatively unknown on a national level. IMO, it doesn't meet the GNG. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that according to WP:SPORTCRIT; Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage. None of sources in the article and this AfD provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. Ckfasdf (talk) 10:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The sources presented are sufficient for WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources appear to meet the required standard of notability and provide credible and sufficient evidence Bernie Clay Bear (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:SPORTCRIT, "Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage." None of the sources above or in general provide significant coverage of the club itself beyond routine game coverage. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Those sources are, indeed, routine game coverage - and they're the best of what's out there, TBH. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only one of the sources cited in the article actually works, and it's WP:ROUTINE. Unfortunately, so are the other sources presented by SportingFlyer. There's not enough WP:SIGCOV to support an article at this time.--DesiMoore (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those aren't the only sources though - a WP:BEFORE search is tricky because there's a few names this club is called, but there's definitely consistent online coverage from at least 2022. SportingFlyer T·C 22:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of saints

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List has no clear criteria for inclusion. And if we were to include every saint from the four Churches mentioned in the table, then it would be far too long. I've created a new article (Lists of saints) which should serve as a directory for lists of saints, so I believe List of Saints should become a redirect to that. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 15:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If this does get deleted, can we not delete the history and just put the new one over it/histmerge? I would rather not delete a 23 year article history if it can be avoided. Or redirect is fine too just keep the history. No opinion on the proposal itself. PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

why does the history matter? ―Howard • 🌽³³ 15:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With pages this old and with this many sub pages, there's an extremely high likelihood this has been content split to some of the other saint lists at some point, so it would need to be kept historically for attribution reasons. Also historically interesting. PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't answer if it should be either. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 16:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Lists of saints: This article should not exist in its current form, as it is way too painful to navigate. However, redirects are cheap, and I see no downside to preserving the page history. HyperAccelerated (talk) 23:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Lists of saints per HyperAccelerated. Sensible ATD for this not terribly sensible list. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep meets WP:GNG for well-documented saints. Absolutiva (talk) 11:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This violates WP: INDISCRIMINATE. A subject can still meet WP: GNG and not have an article on the basis of violating WP: INDISCRIMINATE. As pointed out above, it's extremely painful to navigate and criteria for inclusion aren't clear. HyperAccelerated (talk) 14:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment if this list goes, and Lists of saints becomes the index-of-indices to articles about saints, then we should also get rid of List of saints (disambiguation), and merge its content into Lists of saints. It's not helpful to readers to have multiple articles/lists/pages with very similar names and unclear division of role. Better to have one landing-point that covers everything. Elemimele (talk) 12:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to nominate the disambiguation page for deletion then. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 12:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about List of canonized saints? Absolutiva (talk) 13:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this really the right venue to discuss what to do with other articles? I'm worried this discussion is about to become longer than the actual AfD. Talk pages and/or separate AfD pages are probably more appropriate. HyperAccelerated (talk) 14:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Preston Arsement

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Fails WP:NBIO, nothing really significant just a series of "he did this" or unreliable sources. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak delete: Source three is likely a RS. the rest don't seem to be... Source six is about his wife. This [60] is a brief listing, I don't think we have enough to confirm notability needed for an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 15:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep there are multiple sources, in here and available. Boleyn (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There are many sources to make this article bigger 73.216.182.68 (talk) 16:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Oaktree b is right, there's not enough in here and no more out there. Lacks WP:SIGCOV, fails WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you know there are a lot of sources about him, so we should keep the page 73.216.182.68 (talk) 15:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bust out, then. 3 good sources - pony up... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Week delete- ready to change mind if good sources are found Chikwendummesonma (talk) 17:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Trabzon

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Cannot find anything in Google Scholar and hard to tell if the linked source is enough to justify the article Chidgk1 (talk) 14:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anthony Bryer seems to be reputable but I am not an academic so I don’t know whether that sourcing is enough. Bryer was writing in the 1960s but a lot of the stuff which was unpublished in his day should now be available by searching for "Trebizond" at https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Trebizond&_sd=&_ed=&_hb= so has anyone studied and published a more modern work based on the primary sources? Also the Ottoman archives are available as far as I know, so should not they be cited in some more modern secondary source? And why does the article not exist in Turkish Wikipedia? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aha at the end of page 202 Bryer says “the attack on Trebizond never materialised” Chidgk1 (talk) 15:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Looks like this was an LLM hallucination? If anyone can convincingly dispute that, please ping me and I'll have a second look. -- asilvering (talk) 02:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete We have a 1461 siege and a 1916 Campaign but of an 1833 battle there is nothing to see. The campaign could be a redirect as an ATD... Also, I'm a poet but don't know it... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Track Bangas

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Unsourced, lack of notability, was unable to find any reliable sources demonstrating notability. Waxworker (talk) 13:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Very PROMO, only sourced to their website. Nothing else found, no sourcing seems to talk about this outfit/company. Oaktree b (talk) 15:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete UNSOURCED since 2011? Oh, good grief. No RS, no SIGCOV, no GNG, no keep this article. (Just to add, search throws up the usual soundcloud/Discogs stuff). Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unsourced promo written by one of the main subjects of the article. — Maile (talk) 14:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am only able to find passing mentions of them in news articles/music reviews for Yelawolf. Waddles 🗩 🖉 16:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lochiel, Indiana

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Here we have something of a puzzle. Baker describes it as a post office; google searches produce a railroad liability case from the 1910s in which a girl boards a train here, though the earliest topo I could find, from 1963, shows no trace of a rail line. Another hit is for a grain elevator, and that is still there, or some similar business. But that's it, except for a single house next to the facility. It's very rare for a rail line to evaporate that entirely, so I'm not utterly convinced that these hits all refer to the same place; but all in all I'd say there is a lack of evidence for a settlement here. A rail station seems the best fit. Mangoe (talk) 15:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the citogenesis in this one is strong... I can get a Bitcoin ATM, a sexual harrassment lawyer and all number of other things near Lochiel, which has been an article since 2009. The one thing you won't find anywhere near Lochiel is a citation. There's nothing there beyond, as nom says, a grain facility. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of horse breeds in DAD-IS

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Fails notability for standalone lists and WP:GNG. This article is a table of entries drawn from a single online database, one which isn't a reliable source itself (see Talk:DAD-IS § Evaluation concludes DAD-IS is generally unreliable for horse topics). Neither this article nor its associated article DAD-IS shows any sources which are independent of the subject, and certainly no significant coverage. All citations are published by FAO, the host of the database. Also fails under WP:NOTCATALOG. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 08:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is WP:SIGCOV of the DAIDS system in google books; some of which are books on horses specifically (see my search results here). While the entire list may not be discussed, the concept of the list is which is enough to satisfy WP:NLIST. The fact that a current DAIDS list necessitates linking to WP:PRIMARY materials is not a bad thing.4meter4 (talk) 03:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: A list of things listed in the DAD-IS is, among other things, in constant need of review and updates. Further, the list merely states if a particular horse breed exists within a given nation, regardless of origin or suitability. For the United States, the list is particularly poor — a few years back it even confused slang terms, listing them as standardized breeds. While the DAD-IS itself may be useful to determine if a breed exists at all, particularly for rare breeds in the developing world, a detailed list here on WP is unneeded. Montanabw^(talk) 04:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a list of things listed in a list that's 'Generally unreliable' and not an RS? That's going to go down well, isn't it? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, do not delete, obviously – it's comprehensively sourced and meets WP:NLIST. The FAO is the single most significant world-level agency collecting and publishing data on all aspects of agriculture and agricultural resources, including animal and plant genetic resources, water, forestry and climate; its databases and publications are widely and frequently cited in academic publications. But even if it weren't, there's nothing to stop anyone from adding other sources to the list. A good one to start with might be this: Valerie Porter, Lawrence Alderson, Stephen J.G. Hall, D. Phillip Sponenberg (2016). Mason's World Encyclopedia of Livestock Breeds and Breeding (sixth edition). Wallingford: CABI. ISBN 9781780647944 – in fact I'll go and add that in a moment. Did the nominator even actually do a WP:BEFORE search for additional sources?

I created this page (as a very new user) in 2011 because I'd been told that the List of horse breeds could not contain red links, and wanted to see what horse breed articles were missing from the project. I note that there's no problem with red links in most of our other lists of livestock breeds (e.g., cattle, chickens, donkeys, goats, geese, pigs, sheep, turkeys, water buffalo – but not ducks). I agree that the page title is not optimal, and suggest one of two options to remedy that without losing the content:

move it to List of horse breeds by country; or, perhaps preferable but considerably more work:
merge it with the List of horse breeds (would you be happy with that, Montanabw?).

Either's fine with me. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Justlettersandnumbers: You are arguing for another page, but not this one. Nothing in Mason's contributes to this list-article's notability. If this list was simply a tool for your work, then it should be in your userspace. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 17:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There has been some confusion. I am not arguing about the notability of the database, but that the information contained within the database is not a reliable source for much of anything because of the nature of its data collection and zero oversight of the database contents, making the database a self-published source. The database itself is notable; the data in it is not. Therefore making a static copy of the database contents (which is this list-article) is both presenting information as reliable (which it isn't) and is just a mirror of a database (see What Wikipedia is not). If someone wants to get this information they can, and should, go directly to the database and get it themselves. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 17:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Issues in social nudity

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This article hardly addresses issues, and is apparent from the get go with the introductory paragraph rehashing info that can be found in many other articles on nudism such as Nudity, Naturism, and Nude recreation, etc.. The article on Nudity especially has multiple sections dedicated to issues, in regards to its legality, cultural acceptance, and child development. The terminology section is totally unnecessary for an article about the issues related to a concept as it does not address any terms related to issues, only the history of naturist related terms themselves. Diversity in nudist clubs is not relevant to its issues unless those issues are stated, discussed, and sourced, which they are not, and would be more appropriate on articles covering specific cultural attitudes towards nudity as shown in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudity#Cultural_differences. The other issues and legality sections are short and can be moved elsewhere, other articles about nudity and naturism have subsections covering particular countries where these tidbits may be more relevant. Micahtchi (talk) 02:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Anything useful and not redundant here can be merged with one of the existing articles mentioned.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 05:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I poked around Talk:Naturism and apparently Issues in social nudity was intentionally spun off from Naturism in as part of an effort to reduce the size of that article. I don't think that has any bearing on whether or not to keep this article, but any editor wanting to move content from this article back to Naturism should be aware of the issues there. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 16:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I saw this before- what I got from it at the time (in the 2000s, so a while ago) was this person made a whole bunch of nudity related articles (that were too specific or unnecessary and were deleted or merged into articles like naturism and nudity, and seemed to get into a lot of fights about them too...). I think the reason it exists was because of old beefs and (in my opinion) an apparent desire to be first when it comes to writing these articles. I got this mainly from the original author's talk page. Micahtchi (talk) 07:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Discussion as to whether and how the article can be improved, or whether an earlier split should be reverted, or whether parts of the article should be merged elsewhere, are appropriate for talk page discussion and not AFD. The article has at least some appropriate, not duplicated, referenced content so deletion at this stage is not appropriate. Thincat (talk) 11:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the Good Article Nudity. The latter is much better written, having gone through the GA process. — Maile (talk) 14:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Redirect to nudity as this content does not fit that topic area's broad scope and is a better fit to naturism or recreational nudity.4meter4 (talk) 02:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Keep and speedy close per WP:WRONGFORUM. The issues presented here are all content based decisions in nature and do not fall under WP:DEL-REASON. The was a WP:FORK based on size from the parent article on Naturism. How to improve the scope of this spin-off, or whether or not to merge it back to naturism are not issues pertinent to WP:AFD and per policy at Wikipedia:DEL-CONTENT should be handled instead at Talk:Issues in social nudity using the WP:CONSENSUS process.4meter4 (talk) 02:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Nudity. Makes sense as people can find what they want or an article that is more specific. This is too broad. Nothing whatsoever to do with deletion but we could cover topics like this without the colonial era shots of bare breasted indigenous people, IMHO. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
redirect this WP:CONTENTFORK to nudity. If nothing else, the title of the article is something for a journal, not an encyclopedia. Mangoe (talk) 12:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: to the nudity article seems fine, most things are already covered in that article. Oaktree b (talk) 15:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CEWC-Cymru

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Fails WP:ORG for lack of third party coverage. LibStar (talk) 02:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/redirect to Welsh Centre for International Affairs. As WP:ATD-R. Where the proposed target article covers the parent org ("WCIA") with which this charity org ("CEWC") was reputedly merged/amalgamated in 2014. And its website also redirected to that of the parent. We may as well do the same (merge/redirect). Otherwise, similar to the nom, I'm not convinced that there's sufficient coverage to establish independent notability or support a stand-alone article. Guliolopez (talk) 11:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Related AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CEWC Northern Ireland. LibStar (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/redirect to Council for Education in World Citizenship per WP:ATD as described by Guliolopez. There is most likely an entry on the CEWC organization in the Dictionary of British Education (2003, Woburn Press) beginning on page 52. It is not viewable online (google books ends at page 32) to my knowledge but the CEWC gets mentioned in snippet views on multiple pages in the 50s range which makes me think this is a fairly lengthy entry extending across several pages. This falls under specialized encyclopedias at WP:5P1. When a specialized encyclopedia covers a topic we should too per the first pillar.4meter4 (talk) 01:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Council for Education in World Citizenship per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CEWC Northern Ireland as WP:ATD, and it is better to merge it with the original organisation for which is has its name rather than the new successor. Dank Jae 19:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. FWIW, I'd also be OK with redirection to Council for Education in World Citizenship. Guliolopez (talk) 20:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of ambassadors of Canada to Afghanistan. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Hoffmann

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Marked for notability concerns in 2013, and a complete lack of inline citation. The external links provided are primary (government) sources. A search for sources yielded namesakes. Ambassadors are not inherently notable. LibStar (talk) 04:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of ambassadors of Canada to Afghanistan per WP:ATD. I couldn't find any non-primary sources with WP:SIGCOV; although there are many government/institutional websites that do have in-depth coverage. The only press I found were appointment announcements and passing mentions.4meter4 (talk) 01:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of ambassadors of Canada to Afghanistan: as an ATD per above. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relato K

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POV forking and WP:UNDUE; the article is based on the opinions of far-right politicians such as Axel Kaiser. Also WP:OR?? JPerez90 (talk) 01:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please define what do you mean when you say "far-right". Do you mean that he's right-wing, but more enthusiastic than others? How would that make him an unreliable source? Or do you mean that he's racist, white-supremacist, or something similar? That would be something else, right, but I would like to see a specific reference of that, not just a generic label that seems to be applied at random. Cambalachero (talk) 03:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Far right, the opposite of far left. Oaktree b (talk) 13:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which, of course, means nothing. The article of Kaiser now has a reference of a book that calls him far-right, but again, only that, a label, without any specific racism, supremacism, or wrongdoing attributed to him. Calling someone "Far-right" seems to be becoming like Fascist (insult) nowadays. In fact, if we check that source, it says that Kaiser is far-right... in the middle of a grand conspiracy theory about how the far-right (the only kind of right-wing politics there seem to be) is out there to conquer the word, destroy the left, abolish democracy, and enslave the helpless working class. I have my doubts that can be considered a reliable source to begin with. Cambalachero (talk) 19:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It really doesn't matter how you define it, the article isn't notable regardless. Sourcing is a mess and is mostly SYNTH. Oaktree b (talk) 20:14, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This appears to be SYNTH, I don't see the sources saying these various bullet points are related. Article draws conclusions that don't seem to be there. Oaktree b (talk) 13:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The article should make more clear that the "relato K" concept has been used in several books and hundreds of articles in the press. I'm working on it. It has been used even in the context of the Spanish-language Wikipedia by an Argentine historian (in relation to hundreds of articles on Argentine history). I quote this Argentine historian and provide the citation:

"En 2014 dirigí una Enciclopedia Histórica Argentina que editó Clarín. Revisé varios cientos de entradas de Wikipedia referidas a la historia argentina, desde los casi ignotos guerreros de la independencia hasta conocidos personajes de la historia más reciente. Son contados los casos en que no me topara con una intrusión o manipulación con el clásico sabor del relato K."^[1]

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I tried a translation: "In 2014 I was in charge of an Argentine History Encyclopedia, published by Clarín. I reviewed hundreds of articles related to Argentine history, from little-known fighters for independence to well-known personalities of more recent history. There were few cases in which I did not find an intrusion or manipulation with the classic taste of the K narrative (relato K)." AwerDiWeGo (talk) 19:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural keep per WP:WRONGFORUM. The article doesn't meet any of the criteria listed at WP:DEL-REASON as notability is not an issue here. This is a WP:CONTENTDISPUTE/WP:POV issue that should be solved through normal editing and through discussion on the article's talk page using the WP:CONSENSUS process. Any WP:SYNTH issues can also be addressed there.4meter4 (talk) 00:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ Romero, Luis Alberto (2021-03-25). "Wikipedia: el toque del Rey Midas". Clarín (in Spanish). Retrieved 2024-09-21.

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Delete WP:SYNTH; WP:OR. The procedural keep argument is hard to understand. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Panorays

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Article seemingly lacks any sources aside from trade press. Even then a significant amount of coverage is related to fundraising events. Brandon (talk) 01:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: [61] is definitely SigCov. This book also uses it as an example. (I also found 3 perhaps–slightly-questionable sources: funding, funding, research. I think the last source is unfortunately just a ton of trivial mentions. Depending on how one reads the "trivial coverage" part of NCorp, the funding ones may or may not be SigCov as they both have in-depth and independent coverage of what the company does.) Aaron Liu (talk) 12:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Between the sources provided by Aaron Liu and those in the article, I think this passes WP:NCORP.4meter4 (talk) 00:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete second time around for this one. Still PROMO, sourcing falls squarely into WP:NOTCRUNCHBASE territory. Aaron Liu did throw up one promising looking source, but it's hard not to detect the fell hand of corporate PR in there. But one source plus a load of funding announcements isn't meeting the bar for GNG, let alone WP:NCORP. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's connected to any press release. The book also provides a paragraph about the software as an example, so I'm convinced that there's enough sources and neutral information to add to the article, the criteria for notability. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eyüp Can (journalist)

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Fails on WP:JOURNALIST and WP:GNG and the references can't open. Royiswariii Talk! 07:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Totally unsourced. The article in Turkish Wikipedia looks to be copied from this version. — Maile (talk) 14:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I added some sources, so as per WP:HEYMANN. Baqi:) (talk) 14:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vanvaas

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Upcoming film with no independent or secondary sources. Draftified to allow for more development but immediately restored to mainspace. All the sources are sponsored content or press releases. bonadea contributions talk 07:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: release in a month, notable cast and director; coverage exists: it is not independent but includes verification of cast,, plot, director's ideas in interviews (https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/bollywood/nana-patekar-utkarsh-sharma-journey-gets-renamed-to-vanvaas-exclusive-article-111905151 https://www.aninews.in/news/entertainment/bollywood/this-topic-touches-600-crore-people-director-anil-sharma-on-his-new-project-vanvaas-with-nana-patekar20241019232620/) etc, so that redirecting or draftifying for a month does not seem completely necessary (Deletion would be disruptive and I am absolutely opposed to that outcome.) but if other users disagree with a plain keep, then redraftify. -Mushy Yank. 13:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Indeed, both sources are in the article (more than once I think — there's a lot of duplicate sources in there, and a lot of disruptive refbombing with more and more copies of the same crap advertorials) and they are worse than useless. Unless there are independent sources there shouldn't be an article. --bonadea contributions talk 16:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dobbert

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Delete - article has been unsourced since its inception. The sketchy source that I found earlier in November turns out to be cribbed from Marble (toy) anyway. My WP:BEFORE found no other mention of the word dobbert to mean a marble. So I do not think that this is sufficiently notable. N.B. https://archive.org/details/glossaryoflancas00nodauoft/page/106/mode/2up has dobber as does https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/dabber_n2, but not dobbert. SunloungerFrog (talk) 07:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete fails verification; I found the same as above. I also have to say that I don't think WP is the place for a glossary of regional British slang, and never mind the questionable "just-so" story of its origin. Mangoe (talk) 12:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Last One (film)

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WP:TOOEARLY. Draftify. This article looks like a PR work for Lokesh Kumar if anything. No indication that the film started filming or is going to release anytime soon. The director's page mentions that this film is in preproduction. DareshMohan (talk) 07:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Lokesh_Kumar#Filmography: until more is known. -Mushy Yank. 13:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Magazines + TV Screens Tour

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WP:RUNOFTHEMILL tour that fails WP:NTOUR. G11 and BLAR has been tried before. Notability-tagged for 11 years. Geschichte (talk) 06:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per above, doesn't meet WP:GNG for an article in its own right and only has a passing mention on the Union J article, so don't think a redirect is necessary. Orange sticker (talk) 09:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:GNG. Here are some reviews of the tour: [62], [63], [64], [65], [66], [67], [68] See also: [69], [70]. Best.4meter4 (talk) 04:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or restore redirect to Union J. This had previously been merged. There are a couple of reviews in those sources, but the first source isn't bylined (and not a RS from the look of it); the Irish Independent is RS, SIGCOV; Oxford Mail local media not bylined; Mancunian Matters is hyper-local but has editorial oversight and is bylined; HitTheFloor is debatable, but a review nonetheless and there's an editor in place; Liverpool Echo is a WP:ROUTINE gig announcement from their sports editor (!); The Scotsman is a bylined review in an RS; the last two sources are an album review and a tour announcement in the Birmingham Mail. All in all, this is mostly routine, does have a couple decent gig reviews in RS but in the whole is not the stuff that amounts to making the TOUR notable. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Helvenston

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Delete and redirect to 2004 Fallujah ambush, the redirect target for the other 3 victims of the ambush. Coverage of Helvenston is in relation to the ambush or subsequent events. Otherwise he was one of thousands of individuals killed during the Iraq War. His notability is due only to the ambush, therefore delete per WP:BIO1E. Longhornsg (talk) 06:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - He is known for more than just one event – he was on a reality TV show and was a credited Hollywood consultant, and was the subject of a dedicated LA Times obituary [71]. - Fuzheado | Talk 07:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: as above. I don't see notability outside of the event. 20 years later and there is no sourcing to be found. Oaktree b (talk) 15:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"No sourcing?" The LA Times source has been added to the article, and there is notability outside of this one event. - Fuzheado | Talk 15:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't see how he's more notable than any one else killed in the attack. There were too many deaths in the war, most aren't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 20:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per WP:BIO1E, a few sentences/short para there is all that's warranted. Mztourist (talk) 13:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Fuzheado. The journalist/editorial staff written obituary in the Los Angeles Times makes it clear the subject was known for his appearances on television, and as a personal trainer to celebrities in addition to the 2004 Fallujah ambush. WP:BIO1E therefore does not apply as the subject was known for more than one thing. This is further supported by coverage of him in a scholarly book on the History of Reality TV] published by Random House. There is coverage in google books of his work on television and his career as a soldier. Passes WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 03:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect Not enough SIGCOV, agree totally on WP:BIO1E and redirect. Last time I looked, personal trainer to the stars didn't shoe you in past WP:GNG. As an interesting footnote, Helvenston v. Blackwater Security. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 New Way Cargo Airlines Ilyushin Il-76 shootdown

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Per WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and WP:NOTNEWS although notable at first sustained coverage died off quick. There has been no expanded reports on the incident. A crash of a heavy aircraft with fatalities under 10 has no notability in itself.

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Delete - Not a scheduled flight or a passenger flight (these are generally considered automatically notable), and it appears to have been a military flight or military-operated flight, in which case a shootdown isn't notable, it's fortunes of war. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I created this article when it was said that this was a civilian cargo plane, but since now it is practiacally confirmed it was a military one, and since no important figures were killed, and there were no particular consequences nor continued coverage I think we Can delete it. - SignorPignolini _Talk 06:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. I was going to suggest a merge but I see there's already a brief, but sufficient, mention at the bottom of the Sudanese civil war (2023–present) § United Arab Emirates section. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Jay D. Easy (t) 20:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per norm. EBLDP (talk) 14:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep This won't be kept, but the only issue with it is really that the coverage window was too close in time to the accident. Articles like this show that there may be further coverage, in which case I would have absolutely no problem restoring this article. SportingFlyer T·C 20:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The event has received significant in-depth coverage in secondary sources that currently justify its retention. It's too soon to determine whether the event will have sustained continued coverage or lasting effects. Sources:^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aviationwikiflight (talk • contribs) 15:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is a very significant event politically and also is quite a significant aviation incident. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 07:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Crashed IL-76 in North Darfur: Sorting through the wreckage". Centre for Information Resilience. 31 October 2024. Archived from the original on 11 November 2024. Retrieved 11 November 2024.
^ Dubrovsky, Andrei (25 October 2024). "Mistake or planned sabotage: What is known about the death of the plane with russians on board in Sudan's Darfur?". Afrinz. Archived from the original on 11 November 2024. Retrieved 11 November 2024.
^ Abdelaziz, Khalid; Levinson, Reade; Lebedev, Filipp (24 October 2024). "Exclusive: Plane downed in Darfur with suspected Russian crew was supplying army, rivals say". Reuters. Archived from the original on 29 October 2024. Retrieved 11 November 2024.
^ "RETRACTED: Sudanese paramilitary mistakenly shoots down UAE cargo plane". Sudan War Monitor. 21 October 2024. Archived from the original on 29 October 2024. Retrieved 11 November 2024.
^ "Mercenary aviation: Russian cargo planes helped both sides in Sudan's war". Sudan War Monitor. 27 October 2024. Archived from the original on 11 November 2024.

Keep: I believe this event meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines:

Significance: The incident involves a military aircraft, and any military engagements resulting in casualties often have broader implications for regional stability and/or international relations. This particular event is noteworthy given the ongoing issues Sudan is facing.
Media Coverage: There has been significant media coverage of the incident, which explains what happened in the incident thoroughly. Reliable sources have reported on the details of the event. Some citations which I easily found are here, here, here, and here that discuss the incident in detail.
Aviation Context: This incident is part of a bigger story about military planes that have accidents in war zones. Adding it to Wikipedia helps people understand the dangers and problems that military aircraft deal with. Also, I don't think heavy military aircraft, like the Il-76, involved in shoot-downs is ordinary. They do have significant information.

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Keep per Hacked. This is a significant incident with in-depth coverage. The reference to guidelines for “routine” coverage in the earlier discussion are strained. WilsonP NYC (talk) 14:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep There's nothing WP:ROUTINE about this story or its coverage. Per Hacked, this article details a significant event, for which there has been WP:SIGCOV. Although the coverage seems to have died down, it think it's still too soon for deletion.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of airliner shootdown incidents per WP:ATD. Failing that, delete for failing WP:EVENTCRIT. The article has not received WP:SUSTAINED coverage no matter how many keep voters are distorting the claims to say it is. The sources just aren't there. Likewise, there is no clear source based evidence of long-term significance. Appears to be a relatively minor incident within a war.4meter4 (talk) 03:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete even the article creator agrees with delete - and the argument that the incident is adequately covered in the Sudanese civil war (2023–present) article is a compelling one. Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandermcnabb (talk • contribs) 10:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Drat... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - unnecessary fork of the main Sudanese War article and in of itself a nonsignificant event in a bigger war. Only the same couple of war observer sources talked about it when it first occurred with less coverage or investigation given to it elsewhere. It is unnecessary to create articles for every military shoot down in a prolonged war. Gorebath (talk) 18:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shelby County Airport (Missouri)

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I ran across this trying to source unreferenced Missouri articles for the ongoing unreferenced articles drive. While the essay WP:NAIRPORT suggests that municipal general aviation airports are likely to be notable, that essay does not carry the weight of policy and I'm not finding any substantial coverage for this at all. This from MODOT looks substantive at first, but actually only 4 sentences is about this airport and the rest is about general aviation in the state as a whole. Newspapers.com searching in Missouri for this airport turns up coverage of airports in Alabama and Memphis, but only a statement that a large crowd turned out for a BBQ pork dinner about this airport and a second brief statement announcing a fly-in at the airport in 1961. I know these municipal airports are usually notable, but I don't see a WP:GNG pass here due to the only coverage a fairly thorough WP:BEFORE is bringing up that isn't registration-type listings are the four sentences from MODOT and the two one-sentence passing mentions. The NAIRPORT essay does not carry the weight of policy. Hog Farm _Talk 05:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. WP:5P establishes that Wikipedia is a gazetteer, and airports are a standard part of such works. WP:V is the guiding line beyond that, and that is satisfied. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Shelby County as an ATD. BTW, Wikipedia is not a Gazetteer (yes, I know it's an essay but still) and WP:GEOLAND tells us that artificial features related to infrastructure need to pass WP:GNG which this does not. So if the redirect target doesn't work for folks, then delete... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of airports in Missouri, which is a much better target than the county itself. There's just the bare minimum of information about this unattended turf runway that I could find, but I think we're just a source away from being able to restore it if someone comes across this later. SportingFlyer T·C 20:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree on this, din't know it was there. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Sportingflyer and Alexandermcnabb. I agree that List of airports in Missouri currently appears to be the best target that allows us to get the most information to the reader. I suppose there's a non-zero chance this may prove to be notable, but I'm also not convinced it warrants a stand-alone page when we have a fully functioning list we can add the information to. If a future editor does end up expanding the articles on Shelbyville, Missouri or Shelby County, Missouri and finds that they have enough for more than two sentences on the airport, then I have no objection to changing the redirect target. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 22:23, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to ~~Shelby County~~ Shelbyville, Missouri per previous comments. While WP:NAIRPORT says that municipal airports are "likely" to be notable, WP:NBUILD is a better policy to follow in my estimation, and this airport is not mentioned in secondary sources aside from cursory and WP:ROTM mentions in aviation databases and local news. For what it's worth, I've been AFDing and PRODing obscure Texas airports on an on-off-but-mostly-off basis, and it doesn't take much to establish notability—features in aviation magazines or local news stories that focus on the airport will do it—but this airport doesn't seem to reach even this low bar. Carguychris (talk) 22:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Carguychris - I tend to think that this would be better handled at the article for whatever governmental entity operates the airport. In this case, the article states that the airport is operated by the City of Shelbyville, Missouri. What are your thoughts on this? Hog Farm _Talk 23:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That makes sense. I didn't notice that. Carguychris (talk) 17:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Agree. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:5P1. Wikipedia is a gazetteer and airports are included as a matter of course in gazetteers. Fundamentally, not covering this goes against the spirit of our founding primary mission. Pillars trump all policies.4meter4 (talk) 02:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a very common fallacy. If we read WP:5p1 it tells us (altogether now), "Wikipedia combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers". That does NOT mean 'Wikipedia is a gazetteer'. WP:GAZ is an essay, as indeed is, WP:NOTGAZ. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to your opinion it’s a fallacy. I think your opinion is wrong, and that WP:5P1 is clear that we include content in gazetteers. Remember that Wikipedia’s goal is to record the sum total of human knowledge in one place for free. The idea was to make content found in all reference works available in one place but without the financial barriers and other access issues that often accompany those reference works. Sometimes going back to founding mission best clarifies content targets by making us think about the spirit of our policies which should guide us per WP:5P5.4meter4 (talk) 10:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not my opinion - I laid it out for you, nice and clear in black and white. There it is - fact. I must confess, though, I didn't think that's what Wikipedia was for... I've been using it to remove stones from horse's hooves, so the lesson is well taken. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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redirect to [[list of airports in Missouri There;s no significant info on this airport other than that it exists and has typical airport stats, and no, WP is not a gazetteer. Mangoe (talk) 12:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Hampshire Liberty Forum

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Nominating page for deletion for the following issues per WP:DP.

1. Advertising or other spam without any relevant or encyclopedic content

The article contains large amounts of puffery and reads like an advertisement. Majority of the article is a list of speakers at conventions, mentions of their books, and external bare urls to their blogs or other websites.

2. Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and hoaxes

The article does not list sources for claims of speakers at various conferences. Several existing sources are primary sources.

The article makes false and misleading claims, engages in original research with no sources, and presents their subjects in a promotional manner.

Example 1, stating that "James O'Keefe – journalist whose investigations have exposed corruption and malfeasance in major taxpayer-funded institutions, including ACORN, Planned Parenthood and NPR". James O'Keefe is a far-right activist that uses deceptively edited videos to attack mainstream media sources and progressive sources, and whose videos exposing corruption have been verifiably proven false, as in the case with the ACORN 2009 undercover videos controversy.

Example 2, stating "Ben Swann – Emmy Award-winning journalist" but not including any mention that he is a well-known, notable conspiracy theorist.

Example 3: stating "Stefan Molyneux – host of Freedomain Radio" but not mentioning how he is best known as a white nationalist.

3. Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed

I cannot find reliable, non-primary sources for the large majority of the claimed speakers at these conventions.

4. Articles with subjects that fail to meet the relevant notability guidelines (WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP, and so forth)

Majority of the individuals listed fail notability requirements. BootsED (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Free State Project per WP:ATD. I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV on the convention, but there is coverage on the Free State Project who is responsible for this convention.4meter4 (talk) 02:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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redirect to Free State Project#Annual_events as the annual conference of a relatively obscure libertarian project just doesn't seem notable. Mangoe (talk) 12:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Americanoid

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Delete or possibly merge with Okunev culture. The first paragraph is about a "discounted" theory which probably doesn't deserve its own article. The second also is not deserving of its own article and can be merged if it isn't already in the Okunev article (I only skimmed it). PersusjCP (talk) 04:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Based on searches this was a theory regarding Siberian and other northern ancient peoples that was promulgated in the early 20th century, specifically by Russian anthropologists. As it is no longer an accepted designation, a few sentences in an article for the subsequent theory should suffice. I did find one article that criticized the term and attributed it specifically to Russian racism, but that perhaps could be a marker of scientific enmity and distrust of Russian science. Lamona (talk) 23:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and reformat as a WP:Disambiguation page and merge appropriate content Vladimir Jochelson per WP:ATD. Given that there are two verifiable definitions being used, one linking to Vladimir Jochelson and the other Ancient North Eurasian/Okunev culture, this is a reasonable navigational page.4meter4 (talk) 00:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Okunev culture. There's no need for a merge as the subject is already covered sufficiently there. No need for a DAB page. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of cultural entities with sole naming rights

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Non-notable hodgepodge of venues which have a naming rights sponsor. No apparent notability or sources to tie them together. No incoming links. See also a related discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sponsored sports venues. 162 etc. (talk) 06:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete What is conspicuously missing in the naming rights article is any definition of a "sole naming right". This seems to be something made up one day. Mangoe (talk) 13:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, what in the world is a "cultural entity"? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Events in the Life of Harold Washington

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Dubious notability, no images, article itself is of rather poor quality. Issues have gone uncorrected for at least 12 years, based on the top message Sandcat555 (talk) 05:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, easily meets GNG with its sources. Needs some editing, and I've done a bit (thanks Sandcat555 for bringing attention to the page), but not deletion. As for the notability, Harold Washington was one of Chicago's most beloved mayors, and the downtown Chicago Public Library is named after him in tribute and honor. It and this mural are two of Chicago's several major commemorative remembrances of Washington. The page also gives a well-written and now edited background of Washington's impact on Chicago and an interesting summary and focus on the artist, Jacob Lawrence. This one seems an easy keep, and I've tried to improve it towards that result. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Harold and his library namesake may be fantastic for all I know, but that changes nothing with this article. The majority of the page isn't about the mural at all, despite it being the title. Write a page about Washington, or merge this into something else, but keeping it as it is doesn't fix the problem. Sandcat555 (talk) 19:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Agree completely with Randy Kryn - the article does well in explaining both the background of the subject as well as the artist's creation of the mural. — Maile (talk) 15:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/Merge The comments above do not appropriately address notability. It's rather absurd that more of the article merely summarizes the importance of Harold Washington rather than discusses the mural itself. This is a WP:REFBOMB – The only source for information about the mural is "Jacob Lawrence and the Making of Americans", used as cite 15 and 16. With that, it fails WP:GNG, as Washington being beloved and his background being well-written are utterly irrelevant. My search for sources only found brief mentions about the library's collections. Perhaps it can be merged to Harold Washington Library where it's located. I'm also surprised the article inaccurately states Lawrence painted the mural, when it's actually a tile mosaic. Reywas92^Talk 16:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ceramic tiles bit, painting on tiles is a recognized form of mosaic. I've added a city of Chicago governmental source about the mural (is that where you found it?) which includes its size, etc. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I saw that one. And even if this is notable, this and those other artworks can be covered in the main article per WP:NOPAGE. Reywas92^Talk 21:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You worded my view far better than I did myself. Sandcat555 (talk) 19:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilkhanate campaign to Bithynia

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One of many questionable articles by this editor. Couldn't find anything about this so called event - doesn't seem notable. This is the only part of the article that only talks about this event; "This Ilkhanid army succeeded in recapturing several Ottoman-held castles and towns in the region and dealt a blow to Osman I's forces" HistoryofIran (talk) 04:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete‎. Already deleted as G3. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of Muscat (1811)

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One amongst many poorly sourced and unverifiable articles by this editor. Doesn't seem notable. HistoryofIran (talk) 04:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete How many of these are there? Because this user needs to stop and these articles bulk removed. Unverifiable and a deeply dubious presentation - there was indeed a Wahhabi siege of Muscat in 1811 but it was lifted with no involvement of Qajars. A plea of help went to Iran at the end of 1811 and a force of 1,500 Persians and four guns returned to battle the Wahhabi forces in 1812 but not at Muscat, but Nakhal, Samail and Izki. This article is a whole confused mess that inflates a period of scrappy fighting throughout Oman to the status of a 'battle' and with an incorrect date. Lorimer, page 444 refers. BTW, there IS an article for the Battle of Izki and that's a hot mess as well! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete‎. WP:G3 - Per mon comment, already deleted as hoax and user was bulk creating hoax articles. NativeForeigner ^Talk 01:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capture of Baghdad (1148)

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One amongst many poorly sourced and unverifiable articles by this editor. Doesn't seem notable at all. At least three of the cited citations seem to be primary sources (al-Bundari, "Ravəndi" (Muhammad ibn Ali Rawandi), and "İbn əl-Əsir" (Ibn al-Athir). HistoryofIran (talk) 04:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I just noticed this article was already deleted once under another name [72]. HistoryofIran (talk) 04:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Tabriz (1757)

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"There Mohammad Hassan Khan occupied Tabriz". That is literally all this article says about this "battle". The cited source doesn't say anything more than that ("First Tabrīz fell then,). Doesn't seem notable. HistoryofIran (talk) 03:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Siege of Bahrain (1811)

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One amongst many poorly sourced and unverifiable articles by this editor. Doesn't seem notable. HistoryofIran (talk) 03:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this is all very dubious, I must say. Yes, poorly sourced and yes, unverifiable and what's more blithering rot. Lorimer^[1] tells us that the Omanis attacked Bahrain, under-defended by the Wahhabis, in 1811 together with the Utub. That's it. Of Qajars, there were none. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. CitrusHemlock 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kelly Le Fave

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Subject is not notable; fails WP:GNG. I did a WP:BEFORE search, as well as searched through the Internet Archive book search and ProQuest, and found nothing but trivial mentions of her name, and her own works. The only thing I've found that could be considered "significant" coverage is the short bio page from Image (journal) that is already in the External links section [73] (And the same page live on the web [74]) However, according to that page, she published her poems in that publication, making that source not independent of the subject. GranCavallo (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Can find absolutely nothing aside from the links you've put, and Amazon. Procyon117 (talk) 13:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Alleged Lahore college rape case

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Fails NEVENT. no WP:INDEPTH coverage. and IMO its, WP:TOOSOOON and WP:THEREISNORUSH

Given the substantial evidence refuting the alleged incident, I propose that we consider the Deletion of this article based on several Wikipedia guidelines:

1. Verifiability: The claims made in the article are contradicted by official reports and statements from recognized authorities such as the FIA and CM Punjab, as reported by Dawn News https://www.dawn.com/news/1865944 and The Nation https://www.nation.com.pk/17-Oct-2024/cm-maryam-clears-mist-on-fake-student-rape-allegations, questioning the verifiability of the current content.

2. BLP: The article's content could potentially harm the reputations of living persons based on unverified and disputed claims, violating the BLP policy that demands rigorous standards for sourcing in contentious cases.

3. NPOV: The article may fail to maintain a neutral point of view, as it presents disputed claims without sufficient context from authoritative sources that challenge these claims.

4. Notability: The ongoing disputes and contradictions regarding the facts suggest that the incident may not meet the general notability guideline, which requires significant coverage by reliable sources.

These concerns collectively suggest that the article may not meet Wikipedia's content standards and could merit deletion or significant revision. I recommend opening a discussion for deletion to carefully consider these issues within the community, Furthermore, Wikipedia is not a newscast of information, much less false or speculation. Jinnllee90 (talk) 01:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:NEWSEVENT An alleged rape that didn't happen. Or did it? The perpetrator was the school security guard. Or he wasn't. Protests and alleged police brute force and rubber bullets, tear gas, etc. There was an investigation, with mixed findings. The family of the alleged victim said her injuries were actually from a fall at home. — Maile (talk) 03:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – The article does not meet Wikipedia's notability, verifiability, and neutrality standards. The allegations have been refuted by reliable sources. Additionally, it risks violating the BLP policy by presenting unverified claims about living individuals. Ainty Painty (talk) 12:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. As an editor who has been keeping their eyes on this one for a while, this is a more complicated subject than it would first appear. Firstly, even if the event is not notable, I would claim that the response was- protesting, activism, and unrest, which received a lot of coverage internationally. Secondly, I would claim that there is a really significant possibility here of people with significant political power and interest in keeping Punjab College's name clean influencing people to give a certain outcome- notice that although the father of the victim has spoken and said it was an accident, the victim herself has not, and consider power dynamics in Pakistan between men and women. Also consider that the security footage has been deleted as per major sources, and that the system in Pakistan may have a significant risk of people in positions of power being able to use their influence in such a way. I am not accusing anyone of anything here, it is just a comment. I would also suggest that a lot of edits on the page have been done by Pakistani IP addresses with very standard ChatGPT-esque comments and attempts to delete- I was interested to see that somebody finally found the correct place to nominate the article for deletion. I think this is all worth bearing in mind when coming to a conclusion on this article. However, the counter argument is that Wikipedia is not a place for primary research, and we are not here to interpret the sources as much as we are to summarise them. As it is, the secondary sources have dismissed the allegations and this is a bit of a null story which deletion would not be an undue response to. I hope I have provided some context and I am being balanced to both sides of this discussion.Spiralwidget (talk) 15:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Very much on WP:BLPCRIME concerns and a wholly unclear narrative; either we have it right and proper or we don't at all, especially considering the current issues regarding WMF. Nate • (chatter) 17:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Alleged mean not verified. Its hoax.--Gul Butt (talk) 18:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete while I can appreciate Spiralwidget's thoughtful perspective, I think in this case WP:BLPCRIME issues and conflicting sourcing issues as relates to WP:Verifiability make it impossible for us to have an article at this time.4meter4 (talk) 19:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brendon Cook

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Driver fails WP:NMOTORSPORT, having mainly contested low-level domestic championships (state Formula Ford, hillclimbing, national Production Cars) and not achieved notable success in international/higher-level series (British FFord, AUSCAR). Whilst the article appears to be well sourced on the surface, most of the sources direct to a websites' home page rather than an article – a quick internet search for "Brendon Cook racing driver" also brings up routine database sites and Wikipedia, therefore a lack of SIGCOV. Furthermore, I have reason to believe that User:Bjcook, the article creator, is the subject of the article and therefore in violation of WP:COI. MSportWiki (talk) 21:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It looks like you haven't read the whole article. You will see a search on "Brendon Cook racing driver" is pretty useless. In the references from other editors, you will see he has gone by the name of BJ Cook, Brendon & Brendan (I assume spelt incorrectly or reverts in spell check).

Looking at other interests, he played Rugby League internationals 1992 Pacific Cup and games in the New Zealand provincial rugby championship with Manawatu which included a game against the British & Irish Lions according the Its Rugby profile. He is also the son of a former NRL player.

In cricket he played one international game in the 2001 Pacifica Cup (date of birth the same in cricketarchive.com profile).

Perhaps the article needs a bit of re-wording to imply that his major achievements were not in motorsport. NigelPorter (talk) 00:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simply playing international rugby league and cricket matches for minnow teams doesn't meet notability requirements as there is no indication of success. Having kinship with a National Rugby League player is irrelevant as notability is not inherited. Combined with the lack of proper sourcing, it is a self-promotional piece at best. MSportWiki (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In your personal opinion. No body else has raised this since the article came about in 2006. If you have a personal agenda to delete this I'm not going to change your mind. Just by your name MSportWiki you consider yourself the oracle for Motorsport here. So who is anyone to question you. NigelPorter (talk) 03:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're being very presumptive with statements such as "Just by your name MSportWiki you consider yourself the oracle for Motorsport here", which isn't useful to the discussion. Do you have a COI with this article? MSportWiki (talk) 06:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no COI with the article. NigelPorter (talk) 05:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's focus on the article and its sourcing, not each other. The topic is whether or not we have sources that can establish this subject's notability. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think he used to go by BJ Cook when he raced. He also entered cars in the Production Car Championship with other drivers in them. He ran the Revolution Racegear store in Sydney for ages. So entrenched in the motorsport scene. But does that mean you need a wiki page? Probably need to re-configure article if going to keep.Greg Nail (talk) 22:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails notability guidelines, not to mention the WP:COI concerns of the author. Allan Nonymous (talk) 06:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Hoping comments from previously uninvolved editors will lead to a clearer result, and per Liz let's not personalize comments.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 00:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Low level wins or competitions in minor races, I don't see notability. The first chunk of sources is simply race results,the rest are rugby match results. We'd need stories about this person, which I don't see... I don't find any articles about this person either, I'm not showing notability for our purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 01:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Falls WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Ampil ^{(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)} 09:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. I could find nothing in WP:RS.4meter4 (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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