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Consistency

Please ensure that this article remains consistent in the use of BCE/CE as a dating convention so that others may not change to BC/AD. Editors wishing to comment on this issue are welcome to do so. SouthernComfort 12:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Worth noting that this article started out life as a BC/AD article. On that basis, it should be a BC/AD article. Greenshed 18:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hi I am masood from Susa. If you want to contact me, send email to this address mail==>>masood.it84@gmail.com

Names

I have the surname "deSousa," Portuguese lineage, and wonder if Susa (Iran) or Susse (Tunisia) is the referent of this name. Pdesousa 15:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)Paul J. deSousa[reply]

Does the girl's name 'Susan' come from Susa? How about the word 'suzerain', or 'suzerainty' (sovereign)? Also, the Parthian Empire's name sounds like a lisping way of pronouncing 'Persia'. (Oct.)

Susan and Susa are not related. Susa in Persian is "Shushiana" or "Shush".

The name Parthia is "Part haa" in Persian. Not related.--Zereshk 19:23, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Does the girl's name 'Susan' come from Susa? How about the word 'suzerain', or 'suzerainty' (sovereign)? Also, the Parthian Empire's name sounds like a lisping way of pronouncing 'Persia'. (Oct.) Susan and Susa are not related. Susa in Persian is "Shushiana" or "Shush". The name Parthia is "Part haa" in Persian. Not related.--Zereshk 19:23, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Susan is indeed derived from Shushan and in turn from Inshushinak, the name of the patron diety of Susa. A plance very close to Susa is also called "Susan-gerd", meaning the fortress of Susan. Parthia is derived from 'Parthaw', the name of an Indo-Iranian tribe whose heartland was rigianlly near Ashkabad in present-day Turkmenistan. The Parthians have had close links with Persians (another tribe with similar ethnic backgrounds) in historical times. The names Parthaw and Parsa might have been related origianlly, but in modern terms they refer to totally differnet peoples. --~Tissa

The note on the Greek form of Susa seems to be in error. In neither the Middle Liddel and Scott nor the full version of the dictionary is it given as a name for Susa. In fact, it seems to be merely an adjective formed from the name Seleucus, and therefore might be a Hellenistic adjective ascribed to the city as relating to the ruling dynasty of Seleucus. What is absolutely certain is that the Greek form of Susa is Σουσα (Sousa). Alexaion (talk) 01:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Picture of the Ashurbanipal relief depicts Hamanu not Susa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by El Giggi (talk • contribs) 12:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

fixes

I made some basic changes to clean up all the garbage that has accumulated in this article. I think we can use the sumer city articles as a guideline to write this one

grouped history section by theme and date
moved location info from modern to lead-in
temp. storage of images in gallery until we can get a good text to image ratio
replaced map with more relevant map from elam article stored the old one here

Susa

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The city of Susa is identified on this map

--Gurdjieff (talk) 07:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't think that was any improvement, so I went back to the old layout. If the section is titled "history" why do we need to start of with "literature" and then only talk about history in the 3rd paragraph? Surely keeping it in chronological order would be more logical. And what is with the super-long quote in praise of Ahura Mazda? I can see maybe quoting the lines that mention Susa, but the whole thing? Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 18:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

lets not undo EVERYTHING because of a few minor issuses ok? please? have u looked at the articles on cities in Sumer? I dislike when biblical history is mixed in with real history so I refer to it as literature, from a Historiography POV the biblical refs to Susa precede the ones by the euro expeditions therefore they are cited first.--Gurdjieff (talk) 12:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bible reference

What about mentioning the references to the city in the old bible? It was referenced in Daniel, Nehemiah, and Book of Esther... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aviadbd (talk • contribs) 18:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

good point145.93.148.29 (talk) 12:59, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ANE wikiproject feedback

Looks good Colin. Nice addition to the Susa page. Sara — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slfitzpa (talk • contribs) 03:10, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

General re-edit

The first part of the article was quite disorganized. I tried to put things in the right sequence. Still needs some improvement. Y-barton (talk) 22:17, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence of first settlement

All my edits were removed by User:Wikaviani and User:Doug Weller based on a disagreement on a single factoid in each case:

(1) The age of Susa. Actually my source is from the article itself:

Archeologists have dated the first traces of an inhabited Neolithic village to c 7000 BCE. Evidence of a painted-pottery civilization has been dated to c 5000 BCE.[17]

(2) On the second point, there is no historical evidence that the events in the Book of Esther occurred during the Achaemenid or Sassanid periods, and no sources have been provided to support this in any article. Asking an editor to provide a source to this is like asking someone to provide a source to prove Extra Terrestrial life doesn't exist - both ideas are conjectures and neither has been proven with evidence

Again please don't undo an entire edit based on one personal disagreement.Xoltron (talk) 03:53, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you cannot use Wikipedia as a source for wikipedia. Regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On point 2, the Book of Esther was written in the 4th century BC; it is included in the Greek translation of the Old Testament which was made in the 3rd century BC. The Sassanid period began in the 3rd century AD. The conjecture is bogus. Furius (talk) 16:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)

Here is a decent source.[1] I see it says that "7L first period of occupation at Susa, from about 4200 to 3700 8.C., is known as Susa I." See also [2] and [3]. One thing I do note that this article says is that it was destroyed 3 times. We really need a source for "one of the oldest cities" but it is clearly not one of the oldest continuously occupied cities. I'm very dubious pottery civilization at 5000 BCE bit and the source was added long after. As every mention I've seen of pottery there does not mention Susa but the area, and we have sources saying Susa started after 5000, I've removed it. Doug Weller talk 17:28, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot - the sources the OP says were in the article don't claim it was a city at either point. And of course 7000 BCE is something you won't find in the sources and even if there was something there, that doesn't mean it was there in 6900 BCE. Doug Weller talk 17:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Testifie"

The word "testifie" appears in an incomplete sentence " A mosque was built, but also Nestorian bishops are still testifie." What is the definition of this word? It does not seem to be an English dictionary entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.229.51.105 (talk) 21:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably, “...bishops are still testifie[d to]....“

Or ”... testifie[d to, by apparently credible records. ...]”, etc.
—JerzyA (talk) 06:45, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect photo at the top

The photo of the river at the top of the article is not of Susa, but is instead a photo of the Shushtar Historical Hydraulic System, located thirty miles to the east — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:0:1A10:7820:E096:13F2:21A7:95F0 (talk) 19:59, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Elamites

Elamites are fine and all but it looks like a big chunk of the Elamites article was cargo culted into the Susa article at some point. The tail should not be wagging the dog. :-) The heavy Elamite focus needs to be cleaned out or at least toned down.Ploversegg (talk) 15:41, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]